Top 25 Ways United Methodists Don't Uphold the Book of Discipline

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The difference is, Schaefer's apostacy puts him outside the church. If you are so concerned about those other violations, then bring a charge. His credentials were properly removed, because in choosing to attempt to bring about that which cannot be, Schaefer chose to reject Christ.

jwlung more than 1 year ago

Logical Error of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc

"It does not follow." - probably because your defintion of "apostacy" is so broad that anybody who picked grapes on the sabbath would therefore be apostate.

What Schaefer rejected was conventionality, and that's all.

Reminds me of when Ann Richards and Clayton Williams ran against each other for Governor of Texas in 1990. Richards was divorced, although she was frequently escorted to formal events by the sportswriter Bud Shrake. Williams was (still is, I guess) married to a woman named Modesta, who apparently, he loved very much., so much that he named their cell phone company Claydesta after their names (later sold to a bigger electronics corporate giant). Once when Modesta Williams was introduced, the speaker noted that she would be "the next First Lady of Texas" if Williams won, but, if he lost, there would therefore be no First Lady, as if that mattered. I was mystified that some would think it did. Well, needless to say, she was never First Lady of Texas. It seems to me what you are clinging to here is as meaningless as that situation.

George Nixon Shuler more than 1 year ago

AND MANY OTHERS... Failure to fill out annual reports, for instane.

These listed are just a few of the many. There are many MORE serious than celebrating the love of two people. It is also a chargeable offense to use the marriage service for a wedding that is NOT a wedding, of two heterosexual people. That is, where there is no marriage license.. the same kind of service that used to be done before marriage was legal for same gender ccouples.

Rev. THomas L.. Shanklin more than 1 year ago

 Notable Quotes


"What Christians against same-sex relationships are trying to do is divorce the LGBT experience from their theology. That simply will not work and it’s unbiblical. The word of God was made flesh for this very reason. Jesus informs our legalistic views of theology. He told us to include Gentiles in the church and to include all at the table. He dined with tax collectors and befriended prostitutes. The relationships Jesus formed with sinners are a model for us. We're not just talking about theology: we are talking about people. We're talking about me. We’re talking about families and friends. We shouldn’t be treated like we’re nothing, like theoretical subjects. We are in your lives. We matter."
– Religion News Service columnist Eliel Cruz, "How Traditional Biblical Views Can Cut Off Love, Enlightenment, Even Life."