Top 25 Ways United Methodists Don't Uphold the Book of Discipline

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The difference is, Schaefer's apostacy puts him outside the church. If you are so concerned about those other violations, then bring a charge. His credentials were properly removed, because in choosing to attempt to bring about that which cannot be, Schaefer chose to reject Christ.

jwlung more than 1 year ago

Logical Error of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc

"It does not follow." - probably because your defintion of "apostacy" is so broad that anybody who picked grapes on the sabbath would therefore be apostate.

What Schaefer rejected was conventionality, and that's all.

Reminds me of when Ann Richards and Clayton Williams ran against each other for Governor of Texas in 1990. Richards was divorced, although she was frequently escorted to formal events by the sportswriter Bud Shrake. Williams was (still is, I guess) married to a woman named Modesta, who apparently, he loved very much., so much that he named their cell phone company Claydesta after their names (later sold to a bigger electronics corporate giant). Once when Modesta Williams was introduced, the speaker noted that she would be "the next First Lady of Texas" if Williams won, but, if he lost, there would therefore be no First Lady, as if that mattered. I was mystified that some would think it did. Well, needless to say, she was never First Lady of Texas. It seems to me what you are clinging to here is as meaningless as that situation.

George Nixon Shuler more than 1 year ago

AND MANY OTHERS... Failure to fill out annual reports, for instane.

These listed are just a few of the many. There are many MORE serious than celebrating the love of two people. It is also a chargeable offense to use the marriage service for a wedding that is NOT a wedding, of two heterosexual people. That is, where there is no marriage license.. the same kind of service that used to be done before marriage was legal for same gender ccouples.

Rev. THomas L.. Shanklin more than 1 year ago

Notable Quotes

"Where the [Pew Research Center] data shows five million fewer Protestants, three million fewer Catholics, and nineteen million more “nones” who do not identity with any religion, I see Sarah the bartender who isn’t allowed to love Jesus because she loves women, Sam who adores the new Pope but hates the things the church has done in the name of Jesus, and David the minister who just can’t believe in hell."
– Reba Riley, writing in Time magazine.


I just think it's important for them to know what it does to someone who is a Christian and who is Methodist when something like this happens. It does hurt your ability to have faith for awhile."
-- Kelly Bardier, who along with her partner Jaci Pfeiffer were dismissed from an Orlando-area United Methodist daycare center because of their relationship, after reaching a settlement with the Florida Conference that will require church and daycare center employees to meet with pro-LGBT church groups.


“To [Millennials], ‘religion’ means ‘Republican,’ ‘intolerant,’ and ‘homophobic,'” wrote Putnam and Campbell in Foreign Affairs. “Since those traits do not represent their views, they do not see themselves—or wish to be seen by their peers—as religious.” - See more at: http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2015/05/13/evangelicals-claims-of-conservative-supremacy-are-overstated-and-misread-americas-religious-landscape/#sthash.P7az5pTO.dpuf

"I think that over the centuries, one of the great things that churches of all varieties and religious groups have been able to do is to give people lives of importance, and provide love for people that otherwise don’t get love, along with a sense of community and belonging. This is extraordinarily valuable and important. And the state isn’t going to do it, and many other sorts of organizations seem incapable or unwilling to try. And I do think we want to preserve and enhance that function in society.

"I think that’s the one function of religions that I would most want to see fostered and protected. How you can do that, and whether you can do that, with a frank acknowledgment of the mythic character of their creeds? I’m not sure it can be done, but I hope it can."

– New Atheist Daniel Dennett, in an interview with Andrew Aghapour on Religion Dispatches.


“To [Millennials], ‘religion’ means ‘Republican,’ ‘intolerant,’ and ‘homophobic.' Since those traits do not represent their views, they do not see themselves—or wish to be seen by their peers—as religious.”

– Harvard sociologist Robert Putnam and Notre Dame political scientists William Campbell, quoted by Religion News Service columnist Jonathan Merritt.