Top 25 Ways United Methodists Don't Uphold the Book of Discipline

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The difference is, Schaefer's apostacy puts him outside the church. If you are so concerned about those other violations, then bring a charge. His credentials were properly removed, because in choosing to attempt to bring about that which cannot be, Schaefer chose to reject Christ.

jwlung more than 3 years ago

Logical Error of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc

"It does not follow." - probably because your defintion of "apostacy" is so broad that anybody who picked grapes on the sabbath would therefore be apostate.

What Schaefer rejected was conventionality, and that's all.

Reminds me of when Ann Richards and Clayton Williams ran against each other for Governor of Texas in 1990. Richards was divorced, although she was frequently escorted to formal events by the sportswriter Bud Shrake. Williams was (still is, I guess) married to a woman named Modesta, who apparently, he loved very much., so much that he named their cell phone company Claydesta after their names (later sold to a bigger electronics corporate giant). Once when Modesta Williams was introduced, the speaker noted that she would be "the next First Lady of Texas" if Williams won, but, if he lost, there would therefore be no First Lady, as if that mattered. I was mystified that some would think it did. Well, needless to say, she was never First Lady of Texas. It seems to me what you are clinging to here is as meaningless as that situation.

George Nixon Shuler more than 3 years ago

AND MANY OTHERS... Failure to fill out annual reports, for instane.

These listed are just a few of the many. There are many MORE serious than celebrating the love of two people. It is also a chargeable offense to use the marriage service for a wedding that is NOT a wedding, of two heterosexual people. That is, where there is no marriage license.. the same kind of service that used to be done before marriage was legal for same gender ccouples.

Rev. THomas L.. Shanklin more than 3 years ago

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