Seeing a Way Forward: The Rev. Thomas Lambrecht

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Shame they didn't invite Rev. Tom to those Way Forward mtgs. Oh, they were "Closed"

Reality based, acceptance of both the immovable object and the irresistible force, behold common sense! Neither side is changing their mind - it is so obvious! Wonder why the Way Forward committee couldn't see that? Oh, now I remember, they only did closed meetings, not open to outside, reality input. What a waste of time and money!

The quote, “It’s not possible for us to be in one denomination together.” So true. So simple. Too bad the bishops and clergy cannot accept the obvious and work toward a "gracious exit"...

Reese 172 days ago

Then Just Leave?

I appears that Pastor is set on purging the church for purity and that his version evangelicals are prepared to leave unless the Traditional plan is passed. If he and his supporters feel that strongly why are they not leaving NOW? Why do the rest of us have to suffer? And if the traditional plan wins how are they going to force 3/4 of the US who either don't care or who will be openly hostile to toe the line anymore than they are now? This seems like a multi million dollar boondoggle!

ericpone 172 days ago

Look at what happened in other mainlines

Dude, do you know what happened in the other main line denominations? The pro-LGBT liberal crowd eventually forced conservatives/ traditionalists to tow the line. If you think that pro-LGBT will be fine living in a denomination that allows for folks to hold to a traditional view of marriage . . . that's just not reality.

I hope that some sort of separation occurs without lawyers and such. It's a bad witness

Josh 171 days ago

Full Inclusion

Josh, it is sad that the Good News Group cannot find in their hearts to accept the One Church Plan that forces no church or conference to accept in full inclusion our LBGTQAI sisters and brothers. It is up to a vote in the churches and conferences. You folks at Good News are 'demanding' a Traditionalist Plan. The very fact that you demand your way or the highway, is neither compassionate, kind or Christian. If you cannot realize that science, psychologists and psychiatrists have proven that being LBGTQAI is inborn, and cling to ancient writings by men who knew nothing of the science of today, makes many of us feel that you should be free to exit and form your own church or link with an ultra conservative, group such as Christian Assembly, or Southern Baptist.

Robert and Carla Skidmore 171 days ago

I have no affiliation with Good News . . . huh?

This is what Methodists do. We argue, debate, and come to conclusions as a whole . . . it is called "conferencing." We listen to many sides of the debate: reason, historical, experience (not just human experience but primarily our experience of the Holy Spirit) and PRIMARILY Scripture. We discern together what is the holy thing to do, believe, etc.

No one forces you or anybody else to be a part of such a body. If we do not agree with the conclusions that the "conferencing" produces, then you are free to join another Christian body or stay and continue to present arguments for the point you are trying to make.

The pro-LGBT crowd have been making arguments for a while and the majority has not been convinced. And for good reason. You say that science "proves" that LGBTAI is inborn." What does that mean? Each of the letters for LGBTAI refer to different things.

Also, where is the clear evidence that you present? I studied genetics on a basic level in university and I know for a fact that science does not have a clear grip on how that DNA affects people's personalities, sexual preferences, or other things.

And what if there was a link between DNA and the urges coming up in a person. Does having inclinations towards something mean that a person HAS to do what they are "feeling? Isn't this a form of DETERMINISM (biological determinism)?

What about things like alcoholism that are passed on through genetics? Should we say, "That's the feelings that they were born with and thus, they should act on them"? NO! A person will wreck their lives if they act on every inclination or feeling that comes up from within their body.

And hey, I am proud to cling to "ancient writings." They were written by people inspired by the Holy One of Israel. They are the Word of God for the people of God. Thanks be to God!

Josh 171 days ago

Trent Lott Argument Spotted

The concept one's sexual orientation is comparable to alcoholism presupposes the notion that there is one default sexual orientation and reveals the one using it as willing to engage in bullying and stigmatizing those he has prejudices against. Perhaps you should look in the mirror and not out the window when considering which person's "inclinations" are undesirable because you have engaged in reprehensible conduct here.

George Nixon Shuler 168 days ago


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