Officially or Unofficially, Church Will Separate



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How infirm a foundation

There are thousands of Christian denominations which more less use the same Bible, yet can have radically different beliefs. I am sure they all feel supported by scripture, but obviously, that cannot be the case. The Bible is large enough to have conflicting verses and it is easy to pick and choose those passages that suit your purpose.

David 128 days ago

So agree

Rev. Bowsher, this is an excellent article that truly reflects where the UMC is currently. You are so right that nothing can heal this divide except amicable separation. In reality, when the Wesleyan Church split everyone survived, when the Nazarene's left everyone survived. All will survive and perhaps the Wesleyan witness will be strengthened. With nastiness no one wins.

Jeff 131 days ago

Separation is Needed

I agree with the author, unofficially we are already divided/separated. The progressives depend upon social justice issues for their “worship”. Whereas we non-progressives still believe that the Bible is the true word of God, and we want to make it the focus of our worship. The LGBT issue was simply the straw that broke the camel’s back. As a church, we have not been united for a long time and our differences are too broad and deep to think that they can be reconciled by any of the plans being put before the GC19. I agree with Jeff, instead of discussing, bickering, etc over these plans, their time would be better spent discussing the terms of amicable separation.

Your loving Brother in Christ,

Steve 129 days ago

The Bible says next to nothing

...about human sexuality, and what it does say is irrational, like for instance the provision that menstruating women have to be considered "unclean" and live separately from their families. This is certainly not about The Bible in so many ways. It is about the prejudices of the antigay contingent who seek to weaponize their hatred. If they leave, good riddance. It'd be better to not listen to their carping. But they should leave without any of their assets and depend on funding from right-wing dark money just like the rest of the Religious Right do.

George Nixon Shuler 127 days ago

Dear George

What a bitter uncaring spirit you exhibit for those who believe different than you. While many traditionalists are willing to let so-called “Progressive” congregations leave with their assets so long as they pay they share of any pension funding obligations, you want to kick out the majority of United Methodists to the curb with their properties. How do you propose the minority of Our current denomination centered mainly in the dwindling Western and N. E. Conferences pay for upkeep of all those properties you and your ilk wish to rip from those of us who disagree with you on spiritual matters. I love how “Progressives” are so very tolerant except towards those with whom they disagree. God bless you and I wish you success on your faith journey. Just a pity you can’t do the same for those who read Scripture differently than you.

John 125 days ago


“They should leave without any of their assets. . . “. How very Christian of you. With an attitude like that I am sure the new Progressive church will go far.

Actually, when I call for separation, it is my expectation that it will be the progressives who need to leave as I fully expect them to be in the minority. Should the progressives leave without any of their assets and depend upon George Soros?

Steve 124 days ago

Notable Quotes   

     "Fundamentalist Christians have moved the theological needle so far to the right that the Gospel is said by them to be a 'progressive agenda.' It's not – it's the Gospel. We must keep preaching Jesus' message of the Kingdom of God (over against the kingdoms of this world) rooted in love (not legalism) and aimed toward reconciliation (not division). The Pharisees alleged Jesus' message was a 'liberal agenda.' It wasn't – it was the Gospel."

– The Rev. Dr. Steve Harper in a Facebook post.


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