'One Church' Plan Will Split, Not Heal, UMC

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working together

I wish the author and some like minded progressives would work with WCA and goodnews and come up with a plan that they could present to GC that would fairly separate the two sides. This is the only sane way to bring this conflict to an end. Then we can both go on and do the work we believe the Lord has called us to. As to who is correct, let God decide, in the meantime we should seek peace over unity.

Scott 1 day ago

Sidesteps a key point

All sides need to stop talking about "allowing the other side to leave". We need a formal split where both sides depart to something new while amicably and fairly dividing up the assets. This way there would be no "winners" and no "losers".

Our differences are doctrinal at their core. Let's stop fighting over who will gets to keep the "UMC" brand. Instead of one side holding the door while the other departs, let's both walk out the door at the same time.

My expectation though is that for many progressives this will not be acceptable. For those who see it as a civil rights imperative to force all in the church to embrace full LGBT inclusion and affirm that LGBT behaviors are not sinful, wouldn't they see allowing a split as "selling out"?

Paul W. 2 days ago

One Church Model

Interesting. My opinion is about 180 degrees from Gilbert Viera. I see passage of the One Church Model as the next step in the “progression” of the “progressive” agenda. Once this model is in place, there will be a mass exodus of those who adhere to Biblical orthodoxy from the UMC, leaving the “progressives” with the numbers to pass language at the next General Conference that is more odious and exclusive to those who adhere to Biblical orthodoxy. Do not be deceived. If you reread the Gilbert Viera article and the comments thus far, you can see that “open hearts, open minds, open doors” is closing the doors to the proponents of Biblical orthodoxy. Oh, and by the way, I find the term “Traditionalist” offensive and harmful ( dare I say “hate speech”?). I prefer to be considered a follower of Jesus who adheres to the teachings of the Holy Bible, and not a traditionalist or conservative or whatever derogatory label you wish to call me.

Scott 2 days ago

Amen

"I join with those who find something disingenuous about an effort that allows us to pretend we are united, when we are not and haven't been united, substantively speaking, for a long, long while. A more forthright and principled position is for us to declare we seek a fully inclusive church, with no apologies and with no judgment of those who disagree, and simply let the door swing for those who in good conscience cannot remain."

Amen.

Ben 3 days ago

United... no.

I totally agree with you! I have said to my Pastor and to so many others that we are not “United” and we don’t have “Open Hearts, Open Minds, Open Doors”. The UMC does so many good things but on this issue the need to either truly have OH,OM,OD. or let the Evangelicals split from those of us who are progressive.

Kathy Young 3 days ago

UnUnited

Your statement displays a lack of knowledge as to the amount of financial support the jurisdictions supporting total inclusion get from the more orthodox jurisdictions. If you want a new doctrine, go.

Carl 4 days ago

Very realistic

Very well stated, though my perspective is more Traditionalist. We need to be realistic about intractable differences and work towards a grace-filled plan that allows both sides to go their separate ways as painlessly as possible.

John 4 days ago

UMC split should be along annual conference lines

I find it difficult to imagine a solution that involves splitting up within the annual conferences. Liberal conferences in one church and conservative conferences in another. If I'm right about that, then everyone at some point will also realize that and no one will want to leave.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and something else will happen. :-)

Chad 3 days ago

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