Pennsylvania Scholar: WCA's Belief on Bible Is Wrong

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Hypocrisy

Do any of the WCA's women wear pants? Go without their head covered in church? I am not that well read in the Bible but doesn't it equate wearing men's clothing to cross dressing? And wouldn't "public praying" be what we do in service? Keeping slaves was also a good thing at one time as well. We must change with our times, not advocating getting rid of the 10 Commandments or belief in our Lord but we do need to critically look at history and culture so we don't stagnate. Some of the Bible is history, some is culture. I can proclaim my belief and still accept those who live differently, worship differently, wear my jeans and not wear a hat to church.

Deborah Ivey 32 days ago

Great Commentary

Is Dr. Steven Tuell any relation to the late Bishop Jack Tuell?

George Nixon shuler 33 days ago

Cousins, maybe

We asked Dr. Tuell the same question. He says that he has researched a possible genealogical connection with the help of Bishop Tuell's son. At best, they think there's a distant "cousinly" relationship, which both are happy to claim.

cynthiaadmin (United Methodist Insight) 32 days ago

Misery...

Both sides must be correct. "I'm right". "No, I am right". "No, it's me, I'm right". "No! You're wrong. I'm right". Does the church hierarchy realize this arrogant verbal tug-of-war is driving away congregants? The inconsistency of the message is the largest catalyst in the massive bleed. Another huge factor is pointing out the theological flaws in "the other side" argument and you're dragging unwilling congregants with you. So please, put the UM faithful out of their misery and just split! Please? PLEASE!

Sarah 34 days ago

There are different ways to approach the Bible

The biggest problem within the United Methodist Church is that we DO NOT AGREE on how we, as United Methodists, should approach the Bible! The sexuality argument is only the presenting issue of this critical and divisive problem that we are not in agreement as to how to approach the Bible. And this is not the only thing we are divided on: WE DO NOT AGREE on how the church exists in relation to society. WE DO NOT AGREE on the role General Conference and the Book of Discipline play in the life of the church. WE DO NOT AGREE on whether or not humanity is inherently good or inherently broken...There can never be any peace and coherence within the United Methodist Church as long as we DO NOT AGREE on these important doctrines! It is not enough that we all claim a belief in God and Jesus if we DO NOT AGREE what that belief means for us individually and as a church.

Betsy 34 days ago

Let's parse this piece by piece

1. we DO NOT AGREE on how we, as United Methodists, should approach the Bible!

Response: Probably mostly true, but, so what? We have a faction seeking to codify it in a narrow way in order to commit oppression. If the Bible is to be taken seriously and at least partially literally then all wealthy members need to sell all their worldly possessions and give the cash to the poor, no ifs, ands, and buts. If not the hypocrisy of the religious right faction in our midst is evident.

2. The sexuality argument is only the presenting issue of this critical and divisive problem that we are not in agreement as to how to approach the Bible. And this is not the only thing we are divided on:

Response: Mostly so, but, again, so what? The church does not exist for the sake of enforcing political correctness.

3. WE DO NOT AGREE on how the church exists in relation to society.

Response: This one I am unsure of its accuracy at all. Does the WCA and the rest of our far right Brothers and Sisters seek theocracy? If so, those of us who do not are indeed better off without them. I suspect however, while the Institute on Religion and Democracy and its front groups do indeed seek to impose dictatorship, their support for that is a mile wide and an inch deep. They have manipulated a good number of people by distracting them - "Oh, look, a lesbian Bishop! Go get her, folks!" But as to their true goals they wisely do not articulate them for good reason because if they did their followers would desert them in a New York minute.

4. WE DO NOT AGREE on the role General Conference and the Book of Discipline play in the life of the church.

Response: I'm calling that one a major Pinnochio. All factions participate in GC and such. This is where those things are decided. Not an argument.

5. WE DO NOT AGREE on whether or not humanity is inherently good or inherently broken..

Response: That's an interesting point. Those are not mutually exclusive categories. I believe both propositions are true to a great extent and that such is not at all contradictory. The Right-wing believes they are not broken but that those they seek to oppress are, and that they themselves are good and those they seek to harm are not.

6.There can never be any peace and coherence within the United Methodist Church as long as we DO NOT AGREE on these important doctrines!

Response: No church, not the Catholics, not the Southern Baptists, not the International Church of God, etc. is ever on complete agreement on everything, never has been, and never will be. That's okay. You cannot enforce political correctness.

7. It is not enough that we all claim a belief in God and Jesus if we DO NOT AGREE what that belief means for us individually and as a church.

Response: Why? Name one place outside of a cult where political correctness in enforced with such an iron fist. It doesn't exist.

George Nixon Shuler 33 days ago

WCA's Belief on Bible

The question isn't whether or not the WCA's Greenway accurately represents either the Bible or ideas about Biblical authority in the UMC. The question is why someone who knows better continues to promulgate the idea of a fundamental contest between Bible believers and Bible non-believers. And the answer, I think, is purely political. Greenway's statement is, like most WCA statements, intended to attract to the WCA those who share in the feeling that Biblical authority is under threat. It is neither history nor theology or even hermeneutics. It is advertising and should be understood as such. One could identify similar statements on the progressive side as well, intended to appeal to potential affiliates more than to exegete the Bible or accurately describe the current state of the UMC. Unfortunately these types of obvious political ploys, which show little interest in the truth, appeal to ever narrower constituencies and leave more and more Americans simply disgusted that those supposed dedicated to the truth that sets us free will readily abandon it for a momentary political advantage.

roberth@smu.edu 34 days ago

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