Déjà Vu All Over Again

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Marriage equality

In the 1850's, Protestant churches split along regional lines over slavery. In the 1960's, the civil rights movement was often led by Protestants. Now, facing the civil rights issue of our time, the United Methodist Church is worse than reluctant, it is leading in the wrong direction.
I understand that at the 2012 General Conference African delegates made it clear that any change in the discipline on gay rights issues would be unacceptable to them. It is now getting to the point that failing to change will be unacceptable to non-Africans.
I am 66 years old. I was born a Methodist, have served as a committee chair countless times, and have been proud to see my daughters married and grandchildren baptized in our church. If we continue to choose to discriminate, I will leave.
Whining about the difficulty of the issue is just an excuse to do nothing. In terms of the old bracelets, WWJD?

David Bloss more than 3 years ago

Common Ground is hard to find

When the very nature of the struggle between factions in both the the body politic of the nation and the UMC is over the very lack of it.

Just as I've fantasized about a partition of this nation into separate nations of Red and Blue America ala India and Pakistan in 1947, the giddiness ceases immediately with the realization that not only would we Blues have one heck of a problem with an influx of refugees from Red America, the literal hell they'd need to go through to get here is more than I'd be willing to abide. Or else to emigrate to Europe or Argentina. But I'm still here.

Likewise I've fantasized about switching to Episcopal or United Church of Christ and had a gaggle of priests, wardens, pastors, and laypeople whose lives in a "beloved community" far from our split denomination's reality pulling me. But I'm still here.

What a blessing and a curse it is to live at such a juncture in our church's and nation's life.

George Nixon Shuler more than 3 years ago

The 2016 GC Battle Already Underway!

Both left and right leaning delegates are ready meeting and planning how to defeat one another! We are a divided and polarized church. I do not see any change until the two sides face reality, and agree to a respectful separation. That is much more Christian than trying to conquer one another. Do we really want to face 40 more years of bitter srife and conflict? Neither side is going to change their convictions. Maybe in 2016 we could put an end to the battle, agree to a fair separation, and both get on with Gid's work.

Rev. Mike Childs more than 3 years ago

I hadn't thought about it, but...

..."Deja Vu" is a very appropriate comparison of our current political malaise to the 2012 General Conference. The first day of the second week, when legislative committees were done and plenary sessions were the order of the day, my jaw almost hit the floor when the General Conference voted AGAINST a quote from the Apostle Paul: "Nothing can separate us from the love of God." My goodness, we're voting against the literal word of Scripture! What has happened to our church?

I've long thought the Kingdom of God will be preserved, unto the end time, if for nothing else than it will take that long for us to get ourselves all together. GC 2012 was a regression.

The same can be said for Congress. What happened to the realization that the members of Congress were elected to be about the process of governance, not the process of gaining political points.

What we saw in the first 2.5 weeks of October in Washington, D.C., did not at all resemble what I learned in high school Civics class.

Tom Griffith more than 3 years ago

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