The Hypocrisy Exposed Of The “Gay Sex Is Sin” Cadre

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Ouch !

Rev. Dr. Christy Thomas,
I found this post hurtful, hateful, and offensive to me personally and to all the majority delegates who could not in good conscience support any of the proposed “ways forward “ other than the traditional plan and particularly to the delegates from the African Central Conference. Oh, let us not forget our siblings in Christ who are Southern Baptists! When you have had a chance to reflect back on this post, I hope you might be able to see the harm this type of presentation does to the body.

Scott S 25 days ago

Nobody won here.

You have asked 860-some people to go vote on whether something is or is not a sin. Both sides are passionate. Both sides believe that they are right. Both sides acted like fools.
The progressives have stated that the end result was an act of hate. How dare they.
The conservatives cheered when they "won." How dare they do that.
Nobody won.
I'm a conservative guy. All I have is what I have been taught and how I have interpreted what I've read in the bible. I have gay friends and family. I've traveled with them and stayed in the same hotel rooms as them. I'm not homophobic. I don't hate. I believe it is sinful, and I pray for them and their souls. And I sincerely hope that those who voted traditional are praying for the other's souls. And, given that this is a church thing, I believe it. I have to.
Don't you dare confuse that with hatred.
I believe I can eat shrimp and pork chops because I read where Jesus said I could.
I don't believe in tithing because I can't make the connection between the requirements of old and the modern Church.
And I believe that homosexuality is sinful because of the references made to men and women and the sinfulness of certain acts and I can't find the place where that has been rescinded.
I've studied all of that. Do I think that I'm right? None of us should think that we are right. When we die, all of us will find out where we had things wrong and where we had them right. But we will have been saved. Our job now is to do the best that we can, because we're not perfect. We're not Jesus. And we don't have Jesus here to tell us a parable (because He would probably not give us a straight answer anyway) when we need it . And boy do we need it. The conservatives might be wrong. The liberals might be wrong. Neither of us should be certain that we are right.
When the traditional church says they still love you, let them love you. They sincerely care about you and your souls. Stop with the crap about "Closed hearts, closed minds, and closed doors." They're doing the best that they can. Don't you dare confuse their love with hatred. Disagreement is not hate. If you don't believe that, you are even more closed minded than what you perceive the "other side" to be.

Bill the Sinner 25 days ago

Then let us start talking

about everybody's sexual sin! Let us start talking about how we are all sinners in need of God's grace that is available to us through Jesus Christ! Let us start talking about that LGBTQ persons are as sinful as the rest of us! And just for the record that is the perspective from which traditionalists approach this. The problem is the church has lost the ability to talk about our inherent brokenness, something that is key to a Wesleyan theology of our need for God's grace. And all progressives do is see this as a social justice issue when it is not. Classic Christianity levels the playing field for everybody because it starts with the acknowledgement that we are broken, something I never hear progressives own up to.

betsy 27 days ago

Anyone divorced?

I'm thinking back to a day when Nebraska tried to argue the same and someone pointed out that to be disciples of Jesus, we should follow what Jesus said, including divorce. Of course, the motion that all divorced pastors should leave was voted down, but it pointed to a bigger issue.. people who want to point fingers tend to be the biggest hypocrites, or the best Bible-followers but ONLY if a particular scripture fit their lifestyle.
And yet, divorce was not permitted by clergy at one point in time, so did the UMC implode? No, it showed grace, understanding, and love.
But now, this?

Kevin Burkhardt 27 days ago

2019 General Conference

I, too, am appalled at the ruling. This ruling, frankly, makes me sick, and like Mr. Burkhardt, I cannot pray. I am not in the mood for humor, either, but maybe some humor is needed. Many years ago, when my husband was a pastor,( He saw poverty in the future for our family, which contained my husband, I, his wife and our two, about to be three children, so he returned to his career of being an electrical engineer) a song was very popular, and this song still rings sadly true. It is sung to the tune of " Onward Christian Soldiers."
Like a Mighty Tortoise
Moves the Church of God
Brothers we are treading
Where we've always trod
Some lack Hope
Some lack Love
And all
Lack Charity.
This song goes on for another stanza or two but ends
"With the Cross of Jesus
Hidden Behind the Door."

Carla 26 days ago

progressive?

Carla, Betsy, and Kevin, I would agree that progressive is not a good label for your attitude and manner. Regressive appears more appropriate. Yes, we should split. If you feel separated from God with this decision, pull your pants up, put your shoes on and leave. Why put more money in the plate? Jesus addressed this in his parables. Especially, in this day and age, a split would allow the “poor” traditionalists to modernize by online ordination. Cokesbury is full of deadweight and this could be replaced with more efficient publishing. Jettisoning the ecclesiastical staff would result in a more vigorous and responsive church for both sides in this situation. I am appalled at the slander, impiousness , and vitriol . As a long term recovering alcoholic , I try to abstain from judging people. The immature spirituality you are portraying is unhealthy for anyone who is seriously seeking God. The provincialism of your bias to our fellow brethren in our global church is appalling. These Christians are daily facing evil, corruption ,even to the point of watching the kidnapping and enslavement of their children. Take your money, your bishops and your attitudes. I will take my bible , hymnal and the rest of our traditions.

Matthew Gotthardt 8 days ago