Scriptural Foundation for the One Church Plan

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What in common has the U.S. Constitution, the Writings of Shakespeare, the Bible?

All are unique, complete, and fully interpretable into a wide, convoluted range of interpretations.
Bishop Carter, however, stretches the envelope a bit on his Bible sermon here…

Maybe he would offer us some specific answers to questions which might be more relevant to the UMC Super Brawl in seven weeks:
1) How about addressing those specific Bible passages which we “traditionalists” cling to. What are your interpretations?
2) Why not address the reality that most all other religions and cultures share the same mores as we old traditionalists? If we traditionalists are so wrong, why are we so in step with others? For so many thousands of years?
3) As a moderator for the Way Forward world travelers, why did you not allow regular people into the meetings to discuss their points of view? Were you scared to hear it? Would real truth from regular people be inconvenient?
4) Isn’t the UMC living by the “One Church Plan” now? How many hundred openly homosexual UMC pastors and leaders are there right now? Must be a bunch, they even have an advocacy group. But, the BoD says this is against the rules. And, one lesbian bishop equals a complete disintegration of the rules. She was even given an “in good standing” by the Judiciary.
5) So, if your prayer is granted and the One Church Plan becomes official.: Give us some scripture to cover issues which now plague the Boy Scouts and Catholic churches. As with those, any lawsuits will include all UMC churches, both progressive and traditional churches.

We traditionalists have been sold out by insiders of the UMC. Customize all the scripture you like, Bishop Carter, but remember that the doors have hinges and you are dealing with people who are as much free and independent Americans as we are Christians.

Reese 169 days ago

Scriptural Foundation

The reason for this so called one church plan is because there was never a scriptural foundation established for same sex marriage that would pass GC. In fact the changes approved by GC tightened our policy against homosexual practice which our bishops did not agree with. They arrogantly assumed they know better than our collective decision making process and refused to enforce the rules. Perhaps they believed the Holy Spirit was not with our delegates over the past 40 years. Now Bishop Carter wants to establish a foundation for a dual policy. This is of course total nonsense. We cannot build a foundation on soft sand. It will collapse. Without resolving the underlying issue our bishops are engaged in a fruitless quest for pacification. It was our bishops leadership failures that led us to this so why should we follow their lead now?
I trust that our delegates next month will pray and let the Holy Spirit guide them toward a proper course of action. I also hope that our bishops will recognize their personal and collective failures although I am not optimistic about that.

Kevin 169 days ago

Love Your Neighbor - Yes!

Love Your Neighbor - that's why we need the Traditional Plan. If you really love your neighbor, you will want to share God's love in truth. Jesus spoke of truth often. Traditional Methodism teaches we must always respect God, even on morality. To teach something less does not give God the respect He deserves or bring us into the close relationship with God that we need.

Skipper 169 days ago

Hurtful Love

It is quite true that love must be the motivator for all we do. But, that love must be a Godly one. And sometimes the actions we take, even if motivated by love, must take wisdom into account.

For example, if a doctor denies his services to a patient, only because of his "prejudice" against people who he labels with "hateful" words, calling them "Anorexia Nervosa" patients. He might even label them underweight rather than overweight in his notes, though the patient insists that they are overweight. The patient believes that gastric bypass surgery will help them achieve a proper weight, but the doctor views such surgery as hurtful to the patient. I think love requires him to deny the patient the gastric bypass surgery they want.

I am sure you see where I am going here. I am comparing people with weight disorders with transgender individuals. However, in regards to the transgender topic, we have additional directives from God that he provided in his Word. It is sinful for a man to act and dress like a woman. We have similar directives in regards to homosexuality.

In I Cor 5, v1 Paul notes "It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. In v5, he directs the church to "hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh"... did Paul sin by failing to love this individual, or did the church sin by failing to love God's desire for the church to be moral?

Of course, other individuals ensnared by sin are mentioned in this passage, such as the swindler. But, there is not a movement within the church to declare swindling to be accepted within the church. So, I don't need to address that here.

I recognize that those ensnared by transgenderism and homosexuality, feel they are made that way. And, like those with Anorexia Nervosa, even if they realize that this is wrong, they may struggle with it their entire lives. It may be that these thought patterns, especially when they start in young childhood, become engraved in the neurons of their brain, and they won't be fully healed until they get a new body in heaven. Keep in mind, that this is also true for the pedophile. The fact that they have great difficulty suppressing their sinful sexual urges is not evidence that God made them that way.

I realize that one fundamental cause for my disagreement with those who uphold homosexuality as moral, is our differing views of scripture. There are many in the UMC, who do not believe we have a good record of God's word in cannon. But, as I read over the UMC's book of discipline, it over and over again directs the church to use scripture as its guide. I have not see anything that even hints that some portions of scripture must be ignored because they weren't part of canon.

If it is to be true to God's word, and itself, the UMC must ultimately "expel the evildoer" [I Cor 5:11]. It is not loving to do otherwise.

Joe Dunfee 169 days ago

Perhaps a more appropriate approach

Perhaps a more appropriate approach would be look in the mirror, not out the window. You seem content to judge those against whom you have major prejudices. Perhaps to explore your own sin rather than finger-wag at those you believe yourself to be better than would be of benefit to you.

George Nixon Shuler 164 days ago


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