Improper Voting at GC2019 Voids Key Vote



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Robert's Rules?

Growing up Presbyterian and being elected an Elder at age 18 in that denomination, I became very familiar with Robert's Rules of Order. At the called Special Session in St. Louis the process established for communicating with the Chair effectively threw "Robert's" out the window! In spite of hiring a "Specialist" in Robert's Rules the approved method of communicating with the Chair required getting in an electronic "queue" to await recognition by the Chair. How are we supposed to interrupt discussion for a Point of Order (as per Robert's Rules) without standing and calling out to be recognized for a Point of Order? Those organizing the conference - and even our hired "expert' - allowed this to happen. Regarding the notion of disregarding the outcome of a critical vote because of alleged problems with voting (with no evidence presented) just seems a little desperate. I voted against the measure, but even so I believe we should accept the results of votes that don't go our way with grace and love and look to the future rather than try to find loopholes to nullify any past vote.

Tom Price more than 2 years ago

Bad Policy

The reported process of review effectively maps out a strategy to paralyze future votes of future General Conferences. Given the glacial pace of deliberations and the present state of internal conflict within the denomination. Going public before these issues are resolved seems unwise. Throwing out credible reasons to doubt the legitimacy of votes at General Conference opens the door to specious challenges that will have to be exhaustively "investigated" in the name of "transparency". At this point the last thing the denomination needs is yet another reason to look askance at the governing body's unmanageable processes.

Robert W Ives more than 2 years ago

Voting fraud?

This sounds like what the white racists of so-called Citizens Committees of Mississippi did in the 1940s through the 1960s.

Thank you

Richard F Hicks more than 2 years ago

Photo ID

Wait! The UMC will now require a photo ID to vote? How Republican of them.

John more than 2 years ago

Not exactly

"The press release said these include the requirement that credentials come with a delegate’s photo."

That would be akin to voter registration card having a picture on it. And most people would be agreeable to that, as long as there's enough lead time to make it happen and enough effort to help all eligible citizens have the appropriate card.

JR more than 2 years ago


All of the baptized are citizens of heaven. We're gonna need a LARGE hall for the next GenCon!

Richard F Hicks more than 2 years ago


Not all the baptized are voters though.

And pretty sure that God isn't going to have Peter checking ID at the Gate.

JR more than 2 years ago


You're right--because God will do his own checking. And human-made IDs will be worthless, picture or no picture. And we delude ourselves if we believe that baptism alone will save us. Only those whose names are written in the Book of Life will gain entry--if God knows the very hairs on our head he certainly knows whether he's written our names or not.

John more than 2 years ago