Universities Pondering Traditional Plan’s Implications

Adverse Impacts from Legislation Roll On

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Puzzlement

I'm puzzled. General Conference essentially reaffirmed the already existing policy of the UM church. This was not a new stance or a sea-change. If the position is so abhorrent to these schools and their leaders, why wait until now to make this statement? It seems as if it would have been made years ago. What changed?

Ric 75 days ago

It will be interesting to see the positions taken.

I think its a rather strict position that is being taken by the colleges presidents. College funding is mostly not through the church these days, so the more liberal schools are going to take more liberal positions as the UMC doesn't provide much in the way of financial support.

I haven't found anything that would indicate that the 5 Presidents signed the joint statement. My web search indicated that the Board signed and all those attending. These 5 schools don't appear to me to be represented on the board. The only concrete statement is from the BW President and the 20 board members.
https://www.gbhem.org/education/nascumc/leadership

Regardless of the church’s decision — or if BW decides to disaffiliate or remain with the church — the school will remain true to its values, Helmer said.
“The one thing I’m sure of is who BW is,” he said, “that we are a university that welcomes all people and wants to give all opportunities to all people.”

I don't find anything wrong with his statement above. All Methodist affiliated universities should welcome all.

Anonymous 75 days ago

I don't think the question is whether "all Methodist universities should welcome all."

My question is, for any university which disaffiliates with Methodist, can we be sure that ALL financial assistance to that university will also disaffiliate? Not that any university would want to drop the Methodist affiliation, but still take the money. But, in the convoluted world of liberal logic, it could happen.

Reese 75 days ago

How silly! Would Ford Motor Company un-affiliate with all its local dealers?

So, several universities are considering dis-associating with the UMC over the GC2019 results. This is laughable! Let me understand this: these university seminaries are in the business of educating young preacher-wanna-bes so they can find employment and fulfillment in churches for a career. Those called to the cloth apply to get in, then take out student loans in order to learn to transform the world. Most likely, these seminaries even have “placement offices” which help the young missionaries find that first mission field… Probably, UMC churches send in leaders to interview prospective future clergy…
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Now, those universities who manufacture the new clergy are going to un-affiliate with the downstream “customers” (the churches) who are the “buyers” (hirers) of their products? UMC being among the largest denominations in the Western world, is a major market (mission field, employer) of new clergy – and now the producers of those new clergy are going to pull out of that market? Seriously?
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And, what’s to become of the current students who have dreams and loans and a year or two left of school. What do their chosen careers look like if their university boycotts the major employer? Ah, it is obvious that common sense has still not replaced theory on college campuses! Where will the new grads go to work?
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Of course, these universities could adapt their stance to be: “The future will have two descendants of the former UMC; One will be ‘traditional’. One will be ‘progressive’. We at this university will teach you how to preach, teach, organize a church, help your local community, listen to endless hours of personal problems of your members, deal with conflicts and crazy people (the church board), and attempt to focus on ‘transforming the world’. You, young clergy-person, will have to decide whether to go “progressive” or “traditional” as you graduate and try to find a job.”
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Oh no, not university “intellectuals” - it was the same at my business school – have to prove their relevance by pontifications and protests rather than just keeping their promise to provide education to prepare their wards for the battles of earning a living.

Reese 75 days ago

They are just colleges, not seminaries.

I don't believe these schools are seminaries. Maybe I'm wrong. Just a lot of Methodist support for private 4-year universities in Ohio.

Anonymous 75 days ago

Thanks. Had not thought of that...

I assumed any university which bills itself as "Methodist" in any way would be offfering Methodist clergy or service preparation education at some level. If not, why would Methodist membership donate to them either directly or through church giving? But, your point is well taken and I suggest in these times of extreme needed cuts in Methodist budgets (except for bishops pay, of course), to have a few universities drop out of the Methodist welfare line would be good news!

Reese 75 days ago