Tearing People to Pieces #GC2019



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And my life is being torn apart

Because I did not realize that the United Methodist Church does not have anything in particular to say about anything. And I am trying to wrap my head around the reality that there are those who think a "united" way forward is to make theological plurality an official church policy. I had absolutely no idea that all the years I spent with the United Methodist Church,all I was doing was participating in a failing experiment in one faith tradition trying to exist with multiple understandings of who God is, who we are and what God requires of us in this life. It is no wonder I spent the bulk of my life in a non-descript gray area unable to find peace with either God or the world; it was a miserable existence. I do not find social justice necessarily a bad endeavor for a church. However when social justice initiatives trumps bringing individuals into a life changing relationship with God, then we do have a major problem. As I have discovered, salvation is most definitely not a group plan; it has to work its way into individual lives; something the United Methodist Church is completely inept at because it cannot agree on what redemption and holiness look like. It has lost sight of the fact that the starting point of world-changing Christianity is the individual and their life in God 24/7.

betsy 4 days ago

May we continue to come up short on social justice issues.

Social justice issues are not Christian issues and shouldn’t”t be UMC issues They are secular humanism issues disguised as Christian issues by progressives. As a denomination, we need to abandon all social justice issues and get back to the basics of Christianity. As long as progressives continue to push a social justice agenda we will never have unity.

Steve 5 days ago

Baptism and Confirmation oaths

Social Justice is the very fulfillment of our Baptismal and Confirmation oaths. We are to resist evil in all forms. This has been our vows since the founding of the denomination. There seems to be among those who want a purely orthodox church a desire to walk away from the baptismal and confirmation vows. And by using concepts like Secular humanism, socialism, and biblical to scare people into violating their vows to God to benefit a political organization within the Church. This is evil and should be resisted. Jesus challenged the powers that be in his ministry, we should follow suit.

eric pone 4 days ago

Au contraire resisting social justice is resisting evil

Homosexual behavior and abortion are two of the most evil acts imaginable. Yet progressives have taken these issues and others and twisted the word of God to convince others to accept these issues as acceptable to God. Similar twisting of God’s word relative to man’s impact to global warming, livable wages, share the wealth, etc continues to be espoused by progressives to advance a social justice agenda. I consider resisting any and all social justice issues as resisting evil. Look at humanist and atheist literature. Social justice is a key element to what they believe. Progressives have hijacked their beliefs and cherry picked biblical scripture to justify such issues as Christian. To those of us who resist the social justice agenda, we believe we are upholding our baptismal and confirmation vows. If our church leaders had been more consistent in following their pastoral vows to uphold the BOD, we may not be in the position we are in.

Steve 4 days ago

Amen Steve!

I belonged to a very liberal church years ago. Liberal in that the church did not prescribe what we should believe, but rather it encouraged us all to take responsibility of furthering our own journey toward spirituality. Our minister cautioned that Social Justice was merely a vehicle that people use to elevate themselves above others, and it is an addiction that degrades one's connection to God. Lending a helping hand is an admirable act, but when that evolves into a Social Justice platform, it has NOTHING in common with salvation, spirituality and righteousness.

Dave 4 days ago

Notable Quotes   

     "Fundamentalist Christians have moved the theological needle so far to the right that the Gospel is said by them to be a 'progressive agenda.' It's not – it's the Gospel. We must keep preaching Jesus' message of the Kingdom of God (over against the kingdoms of this world) rooted in love (not legalism) and aimed toward reconciliation (not division). The Pharisees alleged Jesus' message was a 'liberal agenda.' It wasn't – it was the Gospel."

– The Rev. Dr. Steve Harper in a Facebook post.


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