Breaking Up Would Be Hard to Do



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The African Bishops have it right...

The BOD is only borrowing its authority from the bible. Since the UMC is bible based it must reject the practice of homosexuality yet accept the practitioner as having human worth. No ordaining LGBTs, no LGBT marriages falling under the guise of sacramentality. Like the BOD said...its not compatible with the Word of God. What would John Wesley say to all this uproar over ignoring the bible's teachings?

Brian Evers more than 1 year ago

Make a list

1) Female clergy
2) Divorce

Don't be shy, we have a lot of issues if that's your standard.

JR more than 1 year ago


The vast majority of Wesleyan/Methodist and holiness bodies ordain women. Most of those denominations are decidedly more conservative than the UMC. To assume that traditionalist UMs are opposed to female clergy is a strawman argument if there ever was one.

John more than 1 year ago

Not really

Why does the Catholic Church ordain only men and require celibacy?

Biblical references.

My point is, if you want to 'stick with pure Biblical references', women shouldn't be clergy.
"I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." - Paul

I notice you skipped Divorce, which was forbidden within the Methodist Church until the early 20th century (pastors getting divorced would be brought up on charges if they didn't renounce their

"After retirement, [Rev Frank]Tuttle was accused of clerical maladministration (misconduct). The charge? In direct violation of the Discipline, Tuttle had married a divorced woman." This was in 1922.

"The bishops of the Methodist Episcopal Church had publicly declared remarriage after divorce a form of “consecutive polygamy.” Clergy were not allowed to be divorced and were not allowed to conduct marriages of persons who had been divorced for any reason other than the previous spouse’s adultery. And clergy were certainly not allowed to marry a divorcee."

This was the basis until the 60's - when the 'scourge' of homosexuality became the issue of the day, and divorce was let to simply fall by the wayside.

And divorce has a much stronger argument, as Jesus himself spoke on it. Paul later offered some additional exceptions.

So no strawmen here. We're talking Biblical Authority. I've named two points, can you add some more?

JR more than 1 year ago