Is God on Our Side?



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You are forgetting that there is a political side to our problem. The IRD, the instigator wants to stop Methodists advocating for social justice. The WCA is working for that and to obtain power and assets. They are using the fundamentalist cult in our church to attain their goal.

Marilyn Davis more than 1 year ago

You are confused

Ms. Davis, It appears you have mixed up your terms. Those who believe that the Bible is the word of God and want to follow his word are called Christians, not fundamentalists. There is no cult, only individuals who refuse to give in to secular beliefs. On the other side you have secularists who do not accept the Bible as the word of God and who want to impose their secular social justice agenda onto Christians. The problem separating the Christians and the secularists is ideological, not political.

I hope this helps you to better understand our differences and know that they are deep seated and not superficial.

Steve more than 1 year ago

Wrong question

Wrong question. Are you are on God’s side?

Richard F Hicks more than 1 year ago

The argument is not on biases but of absolute truths

The BOD vote was asking whether the truth of the Bible was the truth of the UMC. Jesus was not a nonconfrontational guy. He rebuked his disciples, he rebuked the Pharisees, he corrected the commoner when it was right to do so. What we need to follow is the truth instead of feelings. Instead of this bias argument, we should be making the Wesleyan Quad argument.

Brian Evers more than 1 year ago

John Wesley knew all about human biases

He allowed room for them. Read all about it in his sermon, "The Catholic Spirit". Make sure you pay close attention to the second half of the sermon which provides a detailed description of who the person is who is truly of the catholic spirit and who he/she is not. It just might help you manage your frustration that traditionalists are not progressives and never will be. There are a myriad of underlying theological differences between progressives and traditionalists that lead us to completely different places about God, us and the church. It is why we talk past each other. Trust me, traditionalists are as bumfuzzled by progressives as progressives are bumfuzzled by traditionalists. Many traditionalists simply want what you want: The freedom to live out our beliefs; to follow our own conscience as to what we honestly perceive as God's will for humanity. We have read all the current progressive arguments; we have spent time giving them serious consideration; we are still not convinced.

Just for the record, in my experience, all traditionalists are not fundamentalist and there are plenty of progressives who are fundamentalists. When Jesus returns we will all learn where we have fallen short in our understandings.

betsy more than 1 year ago

Thank you!

Just for the record, traditionalists are just as baffled by progressives as progressives are by traditionalists. And neither group is deficient because there is a whole host of underlying theological differences that have created this impasse over sexuality. It is time everybody has some space to live out their beliefs as they see fit. And just for the record, not all traditionalists are fundamentalists and I have encountered progressive fundamentalists. I truly believe that at the second coming of Jesus we will all learn where we have fallen short! But in the meantime we have to acknowledge our human frailty and learn to view each other with at least respectful tolerance.

betsy more than 1 year ago