Random Thoughts on Watching the ‘Protocol’ Team



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"conservative warmongering"

The persistent efforts by LBGTQ clergy and lay members to challenge the "incompatible" statement seems to me like warmongering, as these efforts forced conservatives to choose between compromising their values or upholding the rules attached to the statement. Notwithstanding the disingenuousness of your accusations, I don't think you can claim to be the "loving" side in the confrontation when you engage in name-calling and question the moral standing of the other side. I suggest that it serves us all (and God too!) to follow the example of the Protocol discussions: Stop the arguing, complaining and criticizing -- let's graciously agree to disagree, then move on.

David Kingsworthy more than 2 years ago

Some of your observations are spot on

However, when when your characterization of traditionalists standing up for our beliefs as "war mongering" remind me of why I am so ready to be done with this mess. Just what exactly makes the progressive conscience more correct than the traditionalists?

betsy more than 2 years ago

Who fired the first shot?

Betsy, in war, those who fire the first shot are considered warmongers. Conservatives fired the first shot in 1972 by imposing the "incompatible with Christian teaching" language on the Book of Discipline. Since then, the effort has only intensified to single out what some consider a sinful behavior based on a handful of cherry-picked scriptures lifted out of historical and cultural contexts. The effort to cast LGBTQ persons and their allies as "the enemy" continued for the next 48 years. This warmongering came to a head at the 2019 General Conference when mandatory penalties for LGBTQ clergy and performing same-gender marriages -- legal under U.S. law -- were added. By comparison, there are no mandatory penalties for chargeable offenses that have serious consequences such as embezzlement of church funds, child abuse, sexual abuse or sexual harassment. I trust this brief history sufficiently explains my rationale for use of the word "warmongering."

cynthiaadmin (United Methodist Insight) more than 2 years ago

and we are simply standing up for what we believe

Just as you are. And it was always the progressives who kept pushing their agenda like you are the only one with any clear insight. Furthermore, when it comes to why American Bishops sound more like bureaucrats than spiritual leaders, it is because they are bureaucrats who were trying to keep this theological mess afloat. Just exactly how can anybody be a spiritual leader to a group of people who are nowhere close to being on the same page about anything! The one thing I have learned from this is I would much rather hang out with imperfect traditionalists than progressives who are not nearly as open minded as you think you are!

betsy more than 2 years ago

You're kidding right?

In the words of Joseph Welch, "At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" After all this, you still want to blame your theological/moral enemies for destroying the church which you have systematically undermined for decades.

Frank Ashton more than 2 years ago

Why the quotes around war mongering?

Did I miss that in the text? I saw the questioning about declaring themselves 'peacemakers'.

That's not a black and white issue. There's a spectrum. You can be a bystander, actively intervene on either side, etc.

JR more than 2 years ago


Cynthia got that one right on the nose. It's in Observation #5, JR.

Wayne more than 2 years ago