A Response to Billy Abraham Regarding United Methodism's Orthodox Rebirth

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"They possess endless moral zeal married to a Pharisaical concept of their own righteousness." Progressives struggle to say their "new" sexuality is not sin. Christ calls us to be reborn into a new life, made possible through the help of the Holy Spirit. He said "Follow Me." In Matt 13:47 Jesus says "The kingdom of Heaven is like a net full of fish (the good ones are kept and the others discarded).” “That’s how it will be at the end of time. Angels will come and separate the evil people from the ones who have done right.“ We need clear vision about what is good and not good, by God's Standards. Substituting our own standards is dangerous. We need to trust God to lead us in the ways of His choosing. He always knows best, so we need to follow radically. "Sin is not just breaking God's laws; it is breaking His heart." A. Rogers

Skipper Anding more than 4 years ago

Thank you Morgan

Great post, Morgan! An excellent response, in my opinion, to Dr. Abraham's piece.

Adam Hamilton more than 4 years ago

"Orthodoxy" = "Political Correctness"

It seems the fellow to whom Rev. Guyton here is responding, despite his having university credentials, is content to unleash ad hominiem attacks on liberals or progressives which are devoid of any substance just like hate radio commentators and orange-skinned Presidential candidates do. From the excerpts it appears the same whining attacks are just being phoned in here. Demands for what is given the honorific term "Orthodoxy" are nothing more than rhetoric in pursuit of the exercise of power and control. I admire Rev. Guyton's perseverance but I have found little if anything in far right ideology which constitutes common ground. The reaction by our American right-wing commentariat regarding the mass murder at the Pulse Nightclub (a gay bar, in case anyone didn't know already) in Orlando reveals firsthand the base character of our homegrown extremists. They want to say to the LGBT community, "See, we're not so bad. Those other guys, they shoot you. We won't. We will keep you from getting an job or an apartment and insure it is unsafe for you to hold hands while walking down the street, but we won't shoot you." Uh-huh. No one is fooled into thinking that's the position of a person of decent character. A friend who was raised Quaker once asked me if I believed American right-wing extremists were good, decent people. My reply was, "If they were, then they would cease to be right-wing extremists." From the excerpts it is clear that is what this Professor Abraham is, an extremist who has no ethical compunction against lying about those with whom he disagrees. If the future presents an opportunity to share a denomination with a person like that, I would certainly prefer to pass. However, to do so would be to shirk our duty as Christians of character. I pray we are able to follow that course described by the great poet and educator Edwin Markham in his epigram "Outwitted:"

"He drew a circle that shut me out
Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout
But love had I and a will to win
I drew a circle which took him in."

George Nixon Shuler more than 4 years ago

Well Stated/Spot On

Thank you for a well written blog post that states many of my thoughts. Some of my very best clergy friends are not progressive as I am, and our friendships help me to continue to reflect and critique why I'm progressive. I, too, was raised Southern Baptist. I so appreciate the both/and and the middle way of Methodism.

Susan Taylor more than 4 years ago

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