A Response to Seedbed's Five Marks of Theological Liberalism



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Hi, Rev. Morgan, you wrote: "it’s extraordinarily unhelpful to present Jesus’ cross as a tool for God’s anger management. God does not need Jesus’ blood in order to change his mind about our eternal destiny. We need to see Jesus’ blood in order to accept God’s unconditional grace and let go of our toxic self-justification. Jesus’ cross saves us from the need to be right, which makes us unteachable and resistant to the Holy Spirit’s sanctification. Many conservative evangelicals remain imprisoned by self-justification due to having received bad atonement theology." I am confused by the sentence: "We need to see Jesus’ blood in order to accept God’s unconditional grace and let go of our toxic self-justification." Please say some more words about how "seeing Jesus' blood allows us to let go of our toxic self-justification." I am in agreement with all else you have written in your excellent article, but I do not understand the "need to see Jesus' blood" as "the only way to accept God's unconditional grace."

Karen Bueno more than 4 years ago

Benevolence and Wrath

I would say in his first point, the author is saying when a person sees himself as above God's wrath he is in a dangerous position. That happens when all you see is God's benevolence. When a person has been lulled into living like the rest of the world, that person needs to realize they lack living a "New Life" in Christ - something Jesus said was necessary to be His follower. As long as you are breathing, it is not too late to make that commitment.

Skipper Anding more than 4 years ago

Discovering a God worth worshiping

Four years ago an unlikely assortment of teachers from the community of faith past and present that crisscrossed denominational lines finally introduced me to a God who is most definitely worth worshiping; something a lifetime of being a good and loyal church-going Methodist/United Methodist failed to do. I began with John Wesley, wandered into the Calvinist camp with the Heidelberg Catechism and three very modern books about it and, in search of a modern Wesleyan perspective finally wandered into seedbed.com just as it has begun to find its footing and have been with them ever since. What I realized is that a classic Christian understanding of who God is and who we are has been MIA in The Methodist and United Methodist Church for a very long time and that modern fundamentalism--which is very much guilty of weaponizing the Bible-- is one more version of Christianity "gone wrong". And seedbed is not weaponizing the Bible. I support your decision to read the book but I hope you allow yourself to read it with an open mind that just maybe the book speaks to the truth of what is really going on with The UMC: it lost its way a very long time ago and theological plurality is The Problem that has resulted in all sorts of presenting issues including the impasse over sexuality and more than likely 50 years of uninterrupted numerical decline that has the potential to make the church disappear. If there was a 20th century group that weaponized the Bible it is because the church had absolutely no clue how to approach the Bible from a truly Wesleyan perspective--something seedbed is working diligently to rectify.

Betsy more than 4 years ago

My summation of the United Methodist Church

The United Methodist Church truly does not know what it is doing. Problem is it has not known what it is doing for so long—at least two generations--it really has no clue that it does not know what it is doing.

Betsy more than 4 years ago