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amen rev.Momany

this has been my reaction since our state conference. i can not understand how i am to be ostresized for my willingness to follow the book of disipline. i would follow it no matter which way they had set the wording last year. but no one asks me that . only if i agree to break faith with what was set forth in the book. i am not about judging which sin should preclude you from serving god. as long as you preach the gospel, and not your sin what ever it is , then i want to hear you. but when we as a church set forth rules we must follow them,, or work to change them,, not divide the church according to our personal whims.
this may reflect my military service,, you don't question your orders from above.

john warren more than 1 year ago

Wesley Quadralateral

We need to start with JW's Quad. If you read his material, you would see he would take the side of the Traditionalists. He was for inclusion as long as you were willing to put sin as your adversary. He would have ceded authority to the Church Fathers as part of his Tradition section of his method and of course Scripture. He would not even have to make it to the reason or experience section to have tossed this idea of ordaining practicing homosexuals.

Brian evers more than 1 year ago

Book of Discipline

I can identify with some of your article. However, I also can identify with the traditional dialogue. On the OCP side, I see the COB's as having provided no leadership but used "political" maneuvering to ask the Judicial Council to rule in their favor on issues of sexual morality. Twice this year the JC has upheld the Book of Discipline as it currently stands and the Traditional Plan for the most part. This lack of theological leadership by the Bishops and outright defiance of rulings by the JC has been an embarrassment to the Church and as the Katy, Texas UMC video explains, some simply will walk away from the confusion.

Richard more than 1 year ago

This statement

from the author of a recently released book on the history of Methodism sums up the UMC extremely well:

…the UMC currently has a crisis of ignorance. When people in a denomination or church fail to understand their own history, they are liable to confusion and misunderstanding. https://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2019/october/one-on-one-with-jeffrey-barbeau-on-methodism.html

For me, the problem with the United Methodist Church is not the sexuality question, it is the myriad of ways we have drifted from our theological moorings. I do not claim to be a Wesleyan scholar, but when the UMC left me broken and confused I turned to Wesley. It was a lesson in what all I did not know about Methodism. As far as I am concerned, Christianity of the Wesleyan/Methodist persuasion is the best thing out there; it is just too bad that the United Methodist Church fails to hit the mark on understanding what it means to be a Christian of the Methodist/Wesleyan persuasion. As I have learned from a lifetime of being a loyal, church-going Methodist/United Methodist, Wesley's goal of creating a "practical religion for a plain people" is not even on the radar of ivory tower leadership. Over the last several years, I have felt like I am nothing more than a head count and money in the plate. I am no longer surprised that I reached a point where I was forced to wander off from church to discover a God worth worshiping and to finally stand in the wide open space of His most amazing grace. I just wished it had happened a long time ago; but the reality is it could not. One of the hardest things I have had to do is to acknowledge that it means absolutely nothing to say that I am a United Methodist.

betsy more than 1 year ago

Thank you and Amen

Amen and Amen. I have been so discouraged recently as someone coming back to the UMC, that I’ve been thinking about leaving again, yet I believe in Wesleyan theology and approach. The two sides that are dominating the debate have pulled so far to their sides that I don’t hear any Gospel of Jesus coming from them. It is bitter, angry, sarcastic condemnations or self-congratulations. Sometimes it makes me want to hide from the church. Yet I believe in the saving power of Jesus Christ and know that the world needs Him, and thus I keep following him and hope for a better day within our church. Ive been looking for this voice of “evangelical” orthodox Christianity/ Methodism and inclusive. That was a good article to start the day. I pray that once this debate over sexuality and gender is out of the way we all can refocus and will recommit to the actual Good News of God’s salvation for all through Jesus and the kingdom centered transformation of the world through Holy Spirit filled disciples of Christ. Amen brother Christoper

Robert more than 1 year ago

Evangelical and Inclusive

Thank you for taking the time to read my piece. I am grateful for your reflections.

Chris Momany more than 1 year ago

I see where you stand

... but I don't know where that is.

I don't disagree with a single point, but I don't understand how to apply those.

You can say you are next to a tree, and close to a boulder, and you can hear a stream - but without better directions, I cannot find you in the wilderness.

JR more than 1 year ago

Evangelical and Inclusive

Thank you for reading, JR. When one speaks from a place that does not fit accepted categories, the voice is hard to locate. That is ok with me, even if it asks readers to ponder new paradigms. I will leave that for you.

Chris Momany more than 1 year ago

The exit continues for many

Had dinner with a couple whom we used to go to church with. After 40+ years as active UMC members, they Have left the UMC and have no plans to ever return. Their former minister had been replaced with one of the leaders of Reconciling Ministries. Ever since he arrived, they said it was a constant barrage of social justice lessons. He even had the cross at the front of the church taken down. They couldn’t take it anymore and were not being spiritually fed. Their average attendance has dropped from about 125 per week to less than 20 per week. According to them their time and membership in the UMC are over. They are very bitter over how someone like their new minister could ever have been ordained in the first place. That seems to be the prevailing opinion of others who left before them.

Steve more than 1 year ago

Evangelical and Inclusive

I have no objection to a thoughtful emphasis on the church's social witness, but I have no idea why this often gets coupled with a gutting of our theological teachings. I fail to understand why it is acceptable to sell our birthright for a mess of pottage.

Christopher P Momany more than 1 year ago