How Did We End Up Here?



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The exclusion of the Gnostics, for example, due to their not being politically correct. Enforced conformity generally only sows discord. As to our current stasis, those who are willing to go for schism on the basis of their prejudices need to ask themselves, why are you so set on doing evil to justify your behavior. When Cedric the Saxon, the 12th Century chieftain in Sir Walter Scott's "Ivanhoe" was asked by his guests, members of the pious Knights Templar, when he agreed to take in Isaac, a merchant Jew: "An unbelieving Jew! Will you admit him in our presence?" Cedric replied, "My hospitality is not bound by your dislikes." Neither should ours, by yours.

George Nixon Shuler 216 days ago

Schism is our tradition

I think that schism is Methodism. We have had many movements calve from the glacier that is Methodism. I have now accepted that this will happen again this year and that I may have to find a new church as a result. It is just how this works. The difference is we are not still growing so whatever organization is left be it conservative or liberal will be struggling for survival going forward. The challenge will be convincing unbelievers or people who are looking for a new church home that what is left is stable and welcoming. That will be the challenge.

eric pone 219 days ago

Methodist History

Just for the record, Wesley never intended to start a new denomination. "Nor did he intend to form a new church." p. 106, Methodism in American History, William Sweet.

We ended up here because so many people disregarded our General Rules and Disciple and did whatever was right in their minds. Isaiah 5:21 “Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and shrewd in their own sight!”

Romans 8:7 is a warning about doing what is right in your own eyes on morality: “For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.”

Skipper 220 days ago

Separating from Catholics probably a good turn

I would say that separating from the Catholic Church was probably a good idea. They have some ideas that are really problematic and their structure seems to be a major impediment for change. Maybe some separation would be a good thing.

Chad 220 days ago


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