The Church, Not the Bible, Determines Sin



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Who determines sin?

If this article was correct, and it is not, then there be no objective standard of good or evil. Whatever those who control the church would determine good or evil. Hitler and Stalin would have loved such a standard. Personally, I would never be s member of s church that believed that it, not the Bible, could determine sin. This article makes me think that schism is unavoidable. This is a slap in the face to those who follow John Wesley. Wesley said, "What smith the Scripture. I regard nothing else." I agree with Wesley.

Mike Childs more than 6 years ago

Church in determining sin.

The author of the treatise on the Church determining sin shows a woeful understanding of both the Bible and the Church. Even a cursory examination of the cherry-picked Scriptures he cites reflects a glaring misinterpretation of the passages, and his view of the Church is atrocious. The Church did not even exist for 80-90 years, and possibly longer, and to twist present understanding to an antiquated view of "sin" would be laughable if it weren't so tragic.

O.C. Brown more than 7 years ago

Binding and Loosing

I have looked at this carefully and have given this time alone with prayer. I respectfully disagree with the interpretation, that in Matthew 16:19 “Jesus gives the Church the power to define Sin”. The Church is not given the authority to redefine or re-list what is or is not a sin. Scripture already defines sin. The Church cannot start redefining and teaching based on any current culture. That is, in some ways, what the Sadducees and Pharisees did. They and others have tough the commands of God, then applied Gods command wrongly. Peter, the Church, is given the authority to bind and loosen what has already been bound or loosed in heaven. I cannot find any implications that Jesus was telling Peter and the others disciples to redefine or re-identify sin. Jesus himself said, “For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:50 (NIV)
If we are not careful we may become modern day Sadducees and Pharisees. We could start teaching scripture based on rival forms of current culture, which has its own list of items. When we do that, we could completely miss the authority, grace and truth in Christ.

Jervis Young more than 7 years ago

what you bind on earth? really? Not!

Jesus did not mean what you think it means. It meant that the people who are filled with the Holy Spirit can forgive anyone who trespassed against them and but if you do not forgive those who trespass against you, God will not forgive you. (Matthew 6:14-15; Matthew 20) BUT!!!! We cannot forgive anyone who sins against God. It is the only sin that is not forgiven. Homosexuality is turning your backs against the laws of Moses. It is not tolerated. You will have it worse than those who hated the laws of Moses before Christ's day. (Hebrew 10:26-31; Matthew 12:31-32) How dare you try to say that a man-made church can rewrite God's laws!

Sandra Bouchard more than 7 years ago

Turning Backs on Laws of Moses

This comment is an example of cherry-picking Leviticus and other Laws of Moses, and ignoring other Laws, including those labelled "abominations" and/or which have death as a punishment. Does the writer want the UMC Book of Discipline to prohibit ordination of women who wear slacks (women not to wear men's clothing)? Does the writer advocate the execution of children who disobey parents? Does the writer cut her hair, which is strictly forbidden in Leviticus. What should the punishment be for men who commit the sin of not cutting the hair growing on their temples, or who trim their beards? When the writer and other anti-gay advocates show they are actually serious about enforcing all the Laws of Moses without just picking the ones they like, they can be taken seriously when talking about "It says so in the Bible".

Phillip Grover more than 7 years ago

The Law of Moses

Here is the fundamental problem with your "theory". Citing the Law of Moses but then eliminating what you do not like in it and wielding what you do as a weapon to hurt people that are different than yourself does not work. Sure it will gather you a bunch of mindless sheeple (sheep people hybrid) that will do what you wish them to. But it is not how laws are supposed to be followed. You wish to follow the "Law of Moses" then go buy a bunch of land, and form yourself a cult to follow you. Do not leave that land to interact with the rest of the world because you will not like the reception that you will get. The Law of Moses is about as outdated as it gets.

Heather more than 3 years ago

Love above all

Thank you for this wonderful article. My own belief has always been to love all God' s creation in it's infinite diversity and leave judgement to God. As to the issues of service, we are all given gifts by the Spirit and expected to use them. Our gifts are not determined by marital status or gender and no person has the right to say we can not do God's will.

Nan Owen Hoekman more than 7 years ago