The Day After Today



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A realistic description of the UMC

As my friend, Chad Brooks, points out there is no normative Methodism. Our Jurisdictions, Annual Conferences, Local Churches, Seminaries, Boards and Agencies, and Institutions all have different ideas of a normative Methodism. This blog has postulated over and over again that there must be some sort of belief that we hold in common, but we have been unable to name anything that would be a core belief of Methodists everywhere. While our Book of Discipline names doctrinal elements of the Articles of Religion, Confessions of Faith, General Rules, and Wesley’s Sermons and Notes, you would be hard pressed to find two Methodists that would agree to some of the commitments found within. John Wesley himself has proven to be one of the most misquoted persons of all time.

The United Methodist Church has instead defined itself in a connection of money and resources bound up in an institution to administer these things. We have maintained the connection to one another through the General Conference ordering the life of the church through an ever increasing rule book known as the Book of Discipline. Millions of dollars are spent in this effort to maintain a connection in ministry. One might say our connection to one another has never been doctrinal, but missional. Our beliefs differ, but we are organized in how we spend money.

betsy more than 1 year ago

We have no shared values

As Bishop Willimon stated GC2019 was 800+ disputants and the only thing they had in common was the cross and flame on their name tag. That the reason why the UMC has progressed from being a house divided to being at impasse with itself. And just for the record, the only thing that surprised me about the outcome of GC2019 was how surprised progressives were. Given the past history of General Conference on this issue, given the decline of the American church and the meteoric rise of the African church, given what has happened to every other mainline Protestant denomination that implemented a local option plan to deal with the sexuality question, given what the WCA was clearly saying over and over again about the One Church plan, I never understood why the Bishops would bet their leadership on the One Church Plan passing or even being an adequate answer to move the church forward as one body.

Progressives need to stop living off feelings and emotions believing they can bring some theoretical utopian existence into being and start living in the real fallen and broken world with the rest of us.

betsy more than 1 year ago

Our values are too different

I am a Traditionalist. I am also a very conservative, Tea Party, gun toting, God fearing Christian. I am a scientist and View life through the lens of logic and reason. I see the world as black or white, right or wrong. There is very little grayin my world. I have learned that progressives tend to make decisions based on “feelings”. They don’ want to offend or hurt someone’s feelings regardless of the facts or what is true. What ever happened to “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me”?

I hate with every fiber of my being what liberals/progressives stand for. I hate what they have done to this country and what they have done to the UMC. Note, I don’t hate individuals, I hate progressive ideas, policies and actions. I refuse to support a UMC which refuses to hold leaders accountable. Our leaders have failed on so many levels. It flies in the face of all logic and reason. Wholesale replacement of our leadership i needed. If that means stricter disciplinary measures, then by all means let’s get stricter. Rules are meant to be followed, or suffer the consequences. Consequences must be severe enough to ensure the rules are followed.

My values today are basically the same ones I had as a child and learned from my parents and Sunday School teachers. The world has changed a lot over the last 50+ years, but my values have remained steadfast.

So, still think our shared values define us more than our differences?

Steve more than 1 year ago

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