Upholding the Discipline

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Discipline as Process

No Discipline is perfect or perfectible. I have serious concerns about a variety of our social stands (but these do change from time to time). I am equally or more concerned about a number of theological statements made in the Disicpline. Yet I support it. By this I mean that I support the process of conferencing, even when it is mean and stupid. We will have another Discipline in 2016. There the conferencing may be even more limiting as proposals are mandated to figure out more part of the Discipline "are not subject to change or adaptation." [¶101] This poses a grave threat to the process of Discipline development and in light of the limited wisdom of any given General Conference. Recent actions of which have been much less than stellar. I can't imagine good coming out of even more restrictive legislation that binds us to yesterday.

Wesley White more than 2 years ago

UPHOLDING THE DISCIPLINE

One seems to often have a narrow focus when it comes to upholding the Discipline. For instance, pastors are quickly brought upon charges while laypeople who come under the same trial directives are allowed to disrupt and kill the soul of our churches in violation of the Discipline. Pastors who do "same sex" weddings are brought up on charges, however, pastors who do weddings of heterosexual couples WITHOUT A VALID MARRIAGE LICENSE, in order that the couple NOT lose ther social security benefits are also in violation of the Discipline. I know of one clergy couple who recently performed a "wedding - covenant service" for a couple who got "married WITHOUT a wedding license. When I asked for a ruling from a General Church agency about this, I was told, the Wedding service is intended for use of heterosexual copies UNDER the laws of a state and with use of a valid marriage license. To do a covenant service for a HETEROSEXUAL COUPLE is as in violation of the Discipline and a chargeable offense, the same as doing a covenant service for same-sex couple.

Rev. Thomas L. Shanklin more than 2 years ago

Nice list-making

This is certainly the UMC equivalent of the much-touted response to the "clobber passages" in the Bible used to justify hatred against LGBTs, citing things like slavery, shrimp, and mensturation. The answer is, of course, the haters want to justify hate however they can. Our hateful sneering passage about how "homosexual practice" (for those who can't do it right, I reckon) is "incompatible with Christian teaching" is enough reason itself to wipe the dust from the feet and leave the UMC. But the animating contest of justice calls us back.

George N. Shuler, LCSW more than 2 years ago

 Notable Quotes


What the New Testament teaches us is that Jesus reached out to those who were considered the outcasts, the ones who did not conform to the religious societies’ view of the world…We do not have a belief, in my way of looking at religion, that says we have to discriminate against anybody. If you were to apply those standards to the teachings of Jesus, I don’t think they fit. - See more at: http://davidgushee.religionnews.com/2016/03/07/nathan-deal-ga-discrimination-lgbt/?email=one.scribe56%40gmail.com#sthash.npCFOd14.dpuf

"Where legalism dominated, many, many, Christians want a religion of grace, mercy, and freedom. ... If raised in legalism, anti-legalism looks really, really good. If raised in anti-legalism, sometimes a little bit of clarity and structure looks really, really good. And so it goes, in the legalism spiral that constantly churns in the world’s great religions."

– Baptist ethicist David Gushee, writing for Religion News Service


“I think as Christians, we’re called to higher standards than Robert’s Rules of Order. Christ calls the church to be witnesses and models of love and grace and Christ-like relationships.”

– The Rev. Andy Bryan, pastor of Campbell United Methodist Church in Campbell, MO, commenting in a United Methodist News Service article on the proposed alternative discernment process for the 2016 General Conference


 


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