Casting the Vision



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The story about Bishop White leds me to suggest that we need more shepherds and fewer leaders. Reverend Trench may be walking with his flock, but for us to pursue his plan would require the pastors in a good number of our other conferences to walk away from theirs. Shepherds are never alone.

The plan that has been proposed is a good way to loosen our connection based on the fact our flocks our just in different places. After that first step, we will have to decide whether where we go from there, but that seems like the most logical step (other than one group apologizing and submitting to the other faction, which I don't believe that will occur).

Anonymous more than 2 years ago

The big picture problem with the OCP

A fix that reverts its definition of marriage to the time of the Judges in which issues like sexuality and marriage can be decided by zip code without theological coherence that transcends culture or language will fix…nothing. Once that institutional precedent has been adopted, it cannot be confined to a single preferred issue. Why not that approach to infant baptism, the ordination of women, paying apportionments, or the freedom to take the resurrection of Jesus seriously…but not literally? In settings where everyone does what is right in their own eyes, the eyes quickly tend to cross and moral myopia runs rampant.

betsy more than 2 years ago

We cannot live side by side

And once progressives get that then we will all be able to all move forward with our very different and sometimes even contradictory understandings of Christianity and what it means to be the church to, for and in the world.

betsy more than 2 years ago

The One Church Plan

The OCP is road kill. Let the buzzards eat it and forget about it. The institutionalists continue to push for the institution that is to be expected but it is a losing proposition. The two views on marriage cannot remain under the same umbrella. A division is the only path forward.

Kevin more than 2 years ago

Follow the money

Always follow the money. Votes don’t count. Dollars do.

Richard F Hicks more than 2 years ago

There isn't a traditional plan

The response to Dr. TEMPLE was sarcastic, unsurprising and missed so many of the main points. First, there isn't a traditional plan. There is only the Discipline and you either submit in obedience to the vows you took or suffer a clear and enhanced consequence. The UMC has not changed its stance on biblical marriage. Most disheartening is the continued failure to see that we will never agree and an amicable separation is our best hope because that is the path of peace.

Rick Sitton more than 2 years ago

How true

The Traditional Plan was legislation. GC passed a lot of it. As a result of its passage, it's no longer a plan--it's now Disciplinary language with an effective date of Jan. 1, 2020. AC pronouncements about resisting or rejecting "The Traditional Plan" are Orwellian Newspeak. An honest person would simply say, "We refuse to abide by the Discipline of the United Methodist Church."

John too more than 2 years ago

It's over.

A church can not have a policy of not being of one mind about something so basic as marriage and homosexual sex. Because, in the end saying it is not of one mind is saying that anything goes when it comes to sexual sins and marriage. And that is not within christian teaching. Please accept it when traditional believers keep telling you this.

td more than 2 years ago

Quit beating a dead horse

The so-called One Church plan has repeatedly failed. Give up on it. The Traditionalists will not remain if it passes. You may be fine with that happening. Let us devote our time and energy on developing legislation to amicably divide in 2020 rather than trying to revive a dead movement.

John more than 2 years ago