The Biblical Basis for the Rape-Marriage #UMC

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As bad as these practices seem to us they were still preferred over same sex marriages. Where in the Bible do we see approval of same sex marriage?
Then again we do not have to wrestle over these passages too much because that discussion has been had. Our BOD addresses sexual exploitation in 161 H and marriage in 161 B. And since our BOD is in harmony with scripture there really is no need to battle over this. It is done.

Kevin more than 6 years ago

Where in the bible do we see...

approval of travel on airplanes?

For that matter, back in 1776, the British physician Edward Jenner invented the smallpox vaccine. Then, certain fundamentalist pastors stated that taking the Jenner vaccine would be sinful, as it interfered with the will of God.

So it is today with matters of human sexuality. We know things now about the varieties of human sexuality and the capacity to love that learned people did not know when the Bible was written. Your argument fails because it assumes the search for knowledge ceased. Our God made us better than that.

George Nixon Shuler more than 6 years ago

where in the Bible

George Buddy, good to hear from you.
The ancient model of kidnapping girls for marriage was still preferred over gay marriage which I can find no approval for anywhere in the Bible. That has to hurt the same sex marriage advocates. That was not my point. Perhaps I did not explain it well enough.
We meet every four years to update our doctrine and policy and this process takes into account scripture as well as current knowledge and technology. We do not need to go back to Leviticus and rehash old arguments. This is the advantage of being part of an established denomination. The theology is done for us by the people we select to do so. They read, pray, discuss and decide. Even with our supposedly new understanding of sexual minorities The UMC still does not condone gay marriage. Maybe someday. Then we can go on and argue about other sexual minorities such as these three women in Massachusetts who are in a three person lesbian marriage. And they are expecting their first child. Isn’t that special? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2611020/Meet-worlds-married-lesbian-threesome-baby-make-four-July.html
Or how about this guy in Florida who was denied a marriage license because he wanted to marry his computer? Here is the money quote. <If gays feel as if they are second class citizens, Mr. Sevier argues then “those of us in the real minority, who want to marry machines and animals, certainly feel like third class citizens”.> That is really, really special. He does show a clear capacity for love to use your phrase. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10814098/marriage-gay-marriage-mac-wedding-computer-Florida-Utah.html Scripture never prohibits marriage to computers so maybe it is OK although since he probably purchased his computer at Best Buy this might technically qualify as sex trafficking, clearly prohibited on our BOD; however, it does seem to be in keeping with the spirit of Exodus 21:7 so he has that going for him. Note to self. Draft petition condemning computer sales as sex trafficking.

Kevin more than 6 years ago

Wow

It doesn't seem to me that making fun of people is an effective argument. You seem to be somewhat angry at social change that is occurring.

George Nixon Shuler more than 6 years ago

Wow

Poking a little fun at a guy who wants to marry his computer does not seem to rise to the same level as those who are making a mockery of our BOD and covenant relationships.

Kevin more than 6 years ago

I Think You Know Better

The comparison of that fellow and the threesome with average LGBT couples was meanspirited and spiteful, for which you should be sorely ashamed.

Hyperbole much? "Making a mockery"? Really? Is that all the BOD and covenant means to you, that it offers an excuse for exclusion of our brothers and sisters?

In Sir Walter Scott's novel "Ivanhoe," the Saxon baron Cedric was hosting a traveling company of Knights Templar, the warrior-monks of the Crusades. A herald informed him that Isaac of York, a merchant Jew, sought refuge as well and awaited outside Cedric's keep. The Templar's Master said to Cedric, "An unbelieving Jew! Will you admit him in our presence?" (I don't know, I guess the Templars were so pious the presence of one Jew was threatening to them.) Cedric's reply was "my hospitality is not bound by your dislikes." Isaac and his daughter were given lodging and a meal by Cedric.

So must we who believe in the inherent dignity and worth of our LGBT brothers and sisters say to you and others: our hopsitality is not bound by your dislikes, either.

George Nixon Shuler more than 6 years ago

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