Episcopal and United Methodist Churches Take Step Toward Full Communion



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What it means

"Full Communion" here means something like "full approval" of each other, no more. This committee is out of touch with reality since we obviously do not approve of each others ways.

Skipper more than 2 years ago

Seriously? One Denomination is Folding, the Other Near Splitting, talking Merger?

For two denominations with serious internal problems, to focus any attention on “full communion” which means “merger” in layman’s terms, is a real head-scratcher. It’s like, “So, our church is sinking and your church is sinking so let’s tie them together to save them.” Well, it does offer a few clergy a chance to meet in a liberal Mecca like Austin…
Meanwhile, we of back-pew practical membership have to ask: Will the UMC churches need to buy lots of floor cushions for the new kneelers who will be attending? Episcopalians are up and down the whole service. Real wine vs. grape juice for communion? Communion every week (ECUSA) or Methodist Monthly?
Music? Big challenge! Methodists have a few toe-tappers that can get a spirit moving. Episcopalian music? Quite English! I’ve been to funerals that had livelier music!
While Episcopal churches in the big liberal cities are holding their own, those in small town America are closing – around 1,000 over the last two decades. The ECUSA in my rural town is again without priest and would be shuttered were it not for their day-care. UMC, meanwhile, is in growing revolution. What are these “full communion” people thinking?

Reese more than 2 years ago


I don't think that means what you think it means.


I don't see the UMC growing, I see it shrinking. And I think that's going to accelerate now.

But even if the trends stay where they are, it's not good news for the UMC. Based on that data set:

UMC was 5.3% of the US population in 1970. In 2010, that's down to 2.5%. If we project out the AVERAGE for the UMC 1970-2010 (-8.2%), and maintain the last US growth (+9.7%) across the next few decades, UMC is below 5 million and at 1% of the US population in 2060. With the current older demographics, I would be surprised if the UMC isn't closer to 0.5% of the US population at that point.

It will be intellectually interesting to see how GC2019 impacts the rolls.

JR more than 2 years ago

I wrote "Growing Revolution".

Not growing membership, but growing rebellion by 3 sides: progressives, traditionalists, and disgusted people like me who are just tired of the drama!

Reese more than 2 years ago

We’re going back to our ‘Mother Church’!!

Makes sense to reconnect to the ‘Mother Church.’

Kate Krebs more than 2 years ago


The Episcopal Church is NOT the "Mother Church" to any forms of Methodism in North America. Both the UMC's predecessors and TEC derive from the Church of England. Any UMC-TEC relationship is more akin to that of half-siblings and nothing at all of a parent-child one. The UMC, if you remember, also has roots in German pietism and the continental Reformation, along with sanctification teachings that Wesley "borrowed" from the eastern church.

John more than 2 years ago