A Tale Of Two Deaths: One Person; One Denomination



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Excuse me. Are we "right wing" who simply want our old church as it was?

The church I grew up in never got into all this sex baloney. Boys and girls pretty much understood what it was all about, having been taught by parents and other moral leaders, scouts and schools. We had no confusion on which restroom we were to go into and knew penalties if we strayed. When we watched babies being baptized and then later were told how those babies came to be, it all made sense. Now, you liberals want to turn my old church into Sodom and Gomorrah, which will have a most predictable ending, but you want to blame we who just want our old church back? Not buying it!

Reese 230 days ago

Not So

"We had no confusion on which restroom we were to go into...."

Speak for yourself. I grew up intersex in the sixties, and there never were easy decisions.

G-d made me this way, and yet people like you have tormented me my entire life. Enough with ignorance and biggotry! Study biology and learn something about human anatomy.

Ben 228 days ago

I studied Biology and I worked in plumbing and my plumbing is male!

Your proper restroom depends on your personal plumbing. If you are confused about that, that is a head problem not a plumbing problem. Deal with it the best you can, but public restrooms, especially in schools, is not the place. By the way, there are private stalls in men's rooms so you can go do your thing in private and nobody will know. I have seen men for years pass up urinals and go to private stalls. Who cares? Just stay out of the ladie's room where my wife and daughters and grand-daughters are - you might be harmless, but the pedophile who follows you in pretending to be might not be harmless. I must consider my ladies' safety above your hurt feelings. Sorry, pal.

Reese 228 days ago

And just for the record

It was while I was monitoring GC2012 that I first became aware of the theological plurality that has run amuck in The UMC; my sense was the denomination was already dead but was too big to fall down just yet. At that point I visualized The UMC as a ginormous square raft with umpteen oars in the water each paddling the best it knows how. Sometime later, as I continued cruising the internet listening to all the voices I could find within the UMC, my visualization of the church changed to water spilled on the floor running multiple directions at once. By the time GC2016 was over the church had become cats with their tails tied together. Bottom line is there is no single way forward for The United Methodist Church which drifted from its unique theological moorings a very long time ago.

betsy 231 days ago

From my perspective

It is progressives who will have their way even if it destroys the church. So where is the basis for a future together?

betsy 231 days ago


Progressive here.

I'd be happy if the UMC would merely agree to remove the ugly biggoted anti-GLBT rhetoric from the Book of Discipline. In other words, I only request that you stop publically shaming me for merely being the person G-d made me.

There is no room in the UMC for bullying or flat-out meaness.

Ben 228 days ago

Two questions, Ben...

First, I don't bully. I do ignore and avoid things I do not agree with, but my ego does not require me to bully. You live your life and I live mine and may we both find happiness here and salvation there.
How exactly would you re-word the BoD which would be non-insulting to you, but would still define our leadership rules and marriage rules to exclude lifestyles that are not acceptable to we traditionalists? Let all sit in the pews with me and other sinners, but ask me not to approve, endorse, encourage alternative lifestyles. How do we word that?
#2 If you are so miserable in the UMC,why have you stayed? The Episcopal church worships the same God and is most welcoming. Others too. I do not stay where I am not happy, why have you?
No time for hate within me. Accepting ll as a child of Jesus, but not as a leader of my religion. Find peace, Ben.

Reese 227 days ago

Your use of the demeaning term lifestyle

reveals your confusion and malice. One's capacity to love is not a lifestyle, spoken with a cruel sneer as you have.

Reese, if you can't accept same sex marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex. Problem solved. I'll waive your copay.

George Nixon Shuler 225 days ago