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" I can live with such differences of opinion, interpretation, and worldview. I am saddened that there are others who cannot."

Wesley understood differences of opinion. St. Paul understood differences of opinion but both knew where differences of opinion stopped. Debate was always included in the Christian and Jewish culture. Where debate ended and where solid, unmovable, rock solid doctrine stood is made clear in scripture.

The death and resurrection was not up for debate in the Early Christian Church. Christian living and lifestyle was explained against a culture that was very open to new ideas, new philosophies and gods limited only by mans imagination. In a Greek culture where spirit ruled and the physical
was considered less important St. Paul emphasis is on the physical body.
The CC is reminder repeatedly the body is the temple of God and is not to be used for sensuality outside the guide lines the CC laid down and understood.

Is there any evidence in scripture where debate would end and certain lifestyles and participation in certain activities would not be tolerated in the CC? I think there was. St. Paul had to throw a few persons out in the hope they would repent. Paul said some expelled where not one of us in the first place. I

Wesley's notes clearly state limits:
Verse 17. If any man destroy the temple of God - Destroy a real Christian, by schisms, or doctrines fundamentally wrong. Him shall God destroy - He shall not be saved at all; not even as through the fire." 1 Corinthians 3

d more than 9 years ago


We all come to the church with brokenness, whether it is pride, idolatry, or any number of sins. The question seems to me to be whether the role of the church is to heal brokenness, through Christ and the Holy Spirit, or whether it is to affirm brokenness as a desirable state. Christ's forgiveness of us obliges us to forgive and accept all others. However, we fail when we affirm our or their brokenness as a worthwhile "alternative lifestyle." I don't want to attend a church that affirms my brokenness. In our consumerist culture there are many institutions that are quite willing to do that. I come to church for the healing power of Christ to call me to repentance from brokenness and lovingly help me be healed through the power of the Holy Spirit!

John more than 9 years ago


"Lastly, it is believed that there is a specific agenda to promote that denigrates other agendas. In other words, “beloved community” is code language to foist a liberal and political agenda that allows gays, lesbians, the poor, street people, Goths, punks, women who have abortions, undocumented immigrants, Democrats, intellectuals, terrorists and scientists a place at the table to which they do not, by rights, belong."

I think you are misrepresenting the other side.
People may enter as you describe but they certainly are not suppose to be leaving in the same condition.

All are welcome is true. I can think of no CC that does not welcome the visitor with open arms.
They are welcome to come, learn, hear about the love of God, learn how the spirit of God touches and changes lives.
They should be learning what is required, oaths they will take, the doctrine of the church and where Christian liberties begin and end.

There were problems in the Corinthian Church as I am sure you are aware.
Paul lifts up Christian liberty at the same time he explains the limitations of.
I think Paul shows great patience with the church but there where limits, understanding of Christian life and acceptable and unacceptable things. The do and do not's.
If anything is acceptable practice there would be no need to define sin. Sin would not exist. We know sin does exist and is defined.

d more than 9 years ago