Why I’m Hopeful …

Bishop Stanovsky Reflects on Council of Bishops Meeting

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Response from one who has personally dealt with same-sex attraction.

RE: "No one seems to believe that United Methodists around the world will simply implement policies that exclude and punish LGBTQ+ people." and
"We felt deeply the despair of LGBTQ+ persons..."
This is how those who confuse 'toxic compassion" with true grace and mercy express themselves, as false shepherds mis-leading the sheep down the wide road that leads to (self-) destruction.
"Love the Lord with all thy heart, soul, mind, and strength and thy neighbor as thyself."
"A new commandment I give you: love one another as I have loved you."
God's kind of love is NOT the kind of love that many in the UMC in this country are speaking of.
Loving God first means dying to self. Trusting God's word and Jesus' sacrifice by seeking His righteousness and Holiness and killing off deep desires that His word says are sinful.
When we try to handle relationships on our terms, rather than God's, then we exclude ourselves (LGBTQ or not) from his grace and mercy. I pray that leaders in the UMC will seek God's will over all.

Charles H. Walkup, Jr. 60 days ago

Hopeful

“No one seems to believe that United Methodists around the world will simply implement policies that exclude and punish LGBTQ+ people. “
Of course not but there will be consequences for those who violate our BoD.
“The church has never healed those wounds, and black voices are still not heard in the Church today.”
My DS is black and my bishop is black. I hear their voices just fine.
“Leaders of the Reform and Renewal Coalition, a group of unofficial traditionalist advocacy groups, pose with bishops from Africa and Europe, after a closed-door meeting to discuss the denomination’s situation and possible future.
Should bishops identify ourselves with these groups? Should there be a standard of disclosure and transparency for any group that wants to be considered a trustworthy partner? You may have seen the photo of bishops meeting with the Reform and Renewal Coalition comprised of Good News, the Confessing Movement, the Institute on Religion and Democracy (IRD) and The Wesleyan Covenant Association (WCA), during the Council meeting. Bishops who were not there asked the other, “Why did you go to the meeting?” Bishops who attended raised strong objections to unethical and dishonest tactics of some affiliated with the coalition.”
And then she packs her bags to attend an unofficial advocacy group which will continue to encourage violations of our BOD.
“Later this month I’ll travel to Minneapolis to participate in the UM Forward Conference, inviting voices of Young, Queer and people of Color to speak at the center of the conversation. From there I will travel to Church of the Resurrection near Kansas City, where some 600 people will gather at the invitation of Pastor Adam Hamilton, to pray and think together about the future of the Church. I hope there will be lots of listening and truth-sharing in both groups.”
Does she even hear herself? Whatever it is she is hopeful for it isn't maintaining our UMC connection.

Kevin 70 days ago

I think it's too late

I appreciate the need for listening.
I appreciate the willingness to look at what is, what was, what should be.
I appreciate that sharing the truths openly and honestly from all sides is important.


I just think it's all coming much too late. We never should have gotten to this point. The time for the listening and discussing was PRIOR to GC2019.


I feel like we're the followers of Jesus; we thought he was the Messiah come to overthrow the Romans and make Israel great again - but we didn't really listen when we should, we didn't really understand what was going on until it was much much too late.

The (metaphoric) three days has long since passed, and the body is still in the tomb, quiet and still.

JR 70 days ago

Tell me where..

The author maintains that the UMC does not have full inclusion of African Americans. Show me the BOD prohibitions on African American participation at any level in the UMC.

Dave 70 days ago

Systemic racism

Having, or lacking, certain rules on paper does not mean certain groups are not de facto excluded. Otherwise civil rights legislation would be enough to abolish racism.

Riain 70 days ago

Interesting

I watched much of GC 2019 via livestream. For probably half the time I watched, an African American presided over the most important meeting of the UMC this year. So how is the UMC excluding or otherwise diminishing POC?

Dave 70 days ago

Can the Bishops save the UMC from the Right-Wing Extremists?

It's doubtful, but, those in the UMC not enmeshed with extremist ideology certainly appreciate their trying.

George Nixon Shuler 71 days ago

What drivel

Your liberal biases show once again. You who openly violate the oaths you took to uphold our Book of Discipline ... why do you expect us to support you financially when you condemn our faith traditions? Can’t we just get some leadership from the COB and have a well-reasoned and win-win division so both sides can go about their business of bringing folks to Christ in the manner they believe is fitting with God’s plan for his people? At least right thinking Progressives are coming to terms that the UMC is broken and a cynical oxymoron and are ready to move forward on establishing two types of Wesleyan faith traditions. No leadership whatsoever is coming from the Bishops, including my own supposedly conservative one.

John 71 days ago

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