A Deeper Look at the Mt. Bethel UMC Conflict




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Off the Mark, Pete...

You're off the mark, Pete. Bishop Sue admitted in her press release that she made the decision to move Jody Ray FIRST, then called him to discuss. Not how it works in the UM church! Book of Discipline Sec 425: "Consultation is not merely notification." You talk to the pastor AND pastor-staff committee FIRST and have a DISCUSSION, "a continuing process." Sec. 426. Not surprising, though, considering Bishop Sue openly praises Karen Oliveto "one of the finest bishops she's ever seen", an openly gay married UM bishop whose very ordination violates that same Book of Discipline she cites to seize Bethel's assets!! Apply the BoD uniformly or not at all, and certainly not selectively for one's own ends.

Lanier Golferson 160 days ago

Who started the problem?

Fleming points to alleged shortcomings by Mt. Bethel but fails to point out that Haupert-Johnson and many other UMC bishops have refused to uphold many articles in the Book of Discipline such as the church’s traditional prohibitions of same sex sexual relations and same sex marriage; as being incompatible with the traditions and teachings of the Church. Many churches are losing members because of the liberal activist positions of many bishops and clergy. Many traditionalist in the pews had hoped that the UMC would have separated into two churches by now so that conservatives like the leaders at Mt Bethel could be done with the liberal gay minister and gay marriage supporters. But unfortunately COVID has made the timeline much longer than anticipated. Without COVID I suspect that MT. Bethel and many other traditional congregations in the North GA. Conference would now be members of the Wesley Covenant Associations “Global Methodist Church.”

L W Wiggins 172 days ago

Aesop got it right...

He got it right with a little fable entitled, "The Dog in the Manger." UM institutional loyalists will cling to buildings/properties rendered less than useless as the pastors and congregations leave with or without their buildings/properties. It is the exact same reason colleges, universities, etc. insulate themselves from those on whatever side who would seek to force them to bow down to activists demands with the threat of having their buildings/properties taken.

bthomas 179 days ago

Conference Trustees and Mt. Bethel

How exactly have the North Georgia Conference Trustees "assumed control of the assets of Mt. Bethel"? Real property? Bank accounts? Buildings and contents? I'm not saying it can't and shouldn't be done; I'm just asking how it was accomplished, and what it consists of.

Jeanne D Devine 182 days ago


A progressive quoting a "violation" of the BOD as a reason for moving a pastor is irony at its best. I believe the dismissal of the music director is in line with the BOD and within the power of the church in totality.

Brian Evers 184 days ago

Dr. Pete

Saint Mark UMC in Atlanta has not paid its full apportionment during the same time period that Mt. Bethel has not paid theirs. And their are other churches in the North Georgia Conference that are withholding apportionments. Jody Ray is not the first person to refuse an appointment, Walter Kimbrough refused to go to Ben Hill UMC in 2006 when Bishop Lindsey Davis appointed him. And there have been other pastors and churches in the North Georgia Conference who have refused appointments. Your historical recollection and statistical data are missing. Let's have a conversation.

Odell Horne 186 days ago


The irony of "progressives" who are incensed over violations of the Book of Discipline cannot be ignored.

RR 186 days ago

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