NOW Is the Moment, UMC: Will You Stop the Evangelical Takeover?



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I read various articles in an attempt to stay informed about what is happening within the UMC. Am I concerned? Yes. Should we be concerned? Yes.
My greatest concern is that too many United Methodists are uninformed or not aware of the possible schism of the UMC.
When I read an article such as that written by Dr. Christy Thomas, it is troubling that she chooses to pit evangelical vs. progressive. And in her case, if you are not progressive, you definitely are wrong.
Do I support Good News? Yes. Do I support the WCA? Yes. Most important is building the foundation of the Church on God’s Holy Word. How can progressives such as Dr. Thomas continue to ignore the Truth of the Bible in an effort to justify their biased notions of social mores contrary to the Christian faith?
I am not here to argue that gay people should be left out of the ministry of the Church. Each of us are children of God. However, I am less than ready to stand back and see the UMC embrace same-sex marriage as the norm with ministers readily performing ceremonies within the church for same-sex couples. And we most certainly do not need to begin the ordination of practicing homosexuals to serve in the pulpit or in any higher position of the UMC.
Finally, we read in the article about the supposed decline of Evangelicalism
within the church. Is it not the more progressive elements that continue the
decline of the UMC in the western United States?
Whatever happens in the 2019 General Conference or beyond, the Church will survive. As for the UMC, time will tell.

Ronald Scott more than 4 years ago

Not taking over - standing firm!

How can it be a “takeover” when we are the ones following the Discipline (as well as the Bible)? Those who are in rebellion against the Discipline and doctrine of the UMC are the ones attempting a takeover. And in some parts of the church they have succeeded.

Also, as one who identifies as evangelical, I strongly resent being classified as “fundamentalist.” I use and teach a variety of methods to interpret the Bible. Oh, and I did not vote for Trump. Christy should know better than to lump all Evangelicals together. Since I think she DOES know better, I can only conclude this is a propaganda piece.

Martha Myre more than 4 years ago

No Take Over

There is no "evangelical takeover." If the liberals did effective evangelism and grew their congregations, they would have a larger voice and a bigger piece of the pie. You lose influence when you lack members. This is the sad truth; traditional Methodism does not need the liberal churches to survive. On the other hand, the liberal portions of the UMC need the evangelicals. We give them money, social influence, and legitimacy. Sadly, as liberal United Methodism dies, it still wants to own the connectional system and tell the majority what to do. Yes, liberalism took over the general boards and agencies. They even own the episcopacy. However, they have lost the battle of the pews. It's time that they acknowledge this and allow ecclesiastical evolution run its course.

William Payne more than 4 years ago

Christy Comments - No Open Discussion

Please view the speech on gun control discussions by VA Assembly Delegate Nick Freitas on the web. The parallels to this situation and prejudicial wording used by Rev. Thomas in her remarks are amazing. She should be seeking forgiveness and apologizing. No Open Discussion Here.

William Dunkin more than 4 years ago


Really Christy?

Where do you stand on the premise of biblical authority? In order to prove a point, the progressive Methodists in the church discard the authority of Scripture and invent theology to prove their specious points. You are absolutely wrong in your assumptions and paint with a broad brush those who disagree with you. You need less hyperbole and more time on your knees.

Jerry more than 4 years ago

Fundamentalism Vs. Evangelicalism

Christy, I am disturbed that you are unable to distinguish between fundamentalism and evangelicalism. The method of biblical interpretation and theological understanding is quite different between the two groups. Surely you studied that in seminary?

I am offended that you lump all evangelicals into a pro-slavery interpretation of Scripture. I know of no United Methodists that believe such a thing. You are engaging in the grossest stereotyping of United Methodist evangelicals that is no help to a civil dialog over differences in our church.

The fact that Good News is well funded and well organized, along with other renewal groups within United Methodism, is a tribute to 50 years of hard work building support and awareness. It is also a reflection of the fact that we are a grass-roots supported organization, not supported by non-United Methodist groups or foundations. There is no obstacle to progressive groups being well funded and well organized. I seem to recall the Love Your Neighbor Coalition spent a ton of money on its 2012 General Conference efforts.

We all have the right to advocate for our perspectives, and people across the theological spectrum do so. What we do not have the right to do is falsely smear others with labels such as racist or misogynist. Those labels are simply not true of the evangelical United Methodist leaders I know.

Your article is part of the hysterical reaction that increases our divisions rather than healing them.

Rev. Tom Lambrecht
Vice President, Good News

Rev. Thomas Lambrecht more than 4 years ago

The Evangelical Takeover

Dr. Thomas, you could not be more spot-on in your assessment. Thank you for having the courage to continue warning our church about the impending disaster. From what you have shared in your writings, you have gone through an amazing faith journey to get where you are today.

Lee more than 4 years ago

Question for the author

I am wondering if the author has studied the decline of the PCUSA, UCC, DofC and others? What does she think the causes of these losses are? and if she thinks this will happen within the UMC? Thank you.

Sarah more than 4 years ago

Evangelical takeover

Christy, you couldnt be more wrong! While mainline denoms have been controlled by progressives for decades, their congregations are dwindling. Evangelucal congrgations are THRIVING. I beling to a Methodist church that is more evangelucal in theology, and it is 4 times the size of any of the progressive mainline churches my relatives attend. We can debate on why this is so; for me, it is the precious combination of holding to biblical truth in a loving, compassionate manner, welcoming all but allowing and encouraging the love of Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit transform lives and deliver..REALLY frim the power of sins hold.

Lisa Kindervatter more than 4 years ago

reply to Christy

Christy you could not be more wrong. We are not fundamentalists wanting to witch hunt for progressives, but we are Christians who deeply believe in the Bible as the sufficent and true word of God. We consider it as inspired literature, not a collection of myths as Adam Hamilton now seems in part to believe. The progressives are the ones who want to pick and choose what parts to believe. By the way where does RMN and the other progressive groups get their money. Does any of it come from George Soros funded operations? Good News and WCA are not the highly organized groups with the blind command of traditionalists. Instead they echo the same beliefs that the majority of the laity believe. We are not the ones who broke the democratically elected rules, the progressives did.

Scott more than 4 years ago