The Bridge Is Out

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Faulty Logic

First, the talk of schism did not start with the election of a bishop; it started when individual clergy decided that they were no longer bound by the decision making process of The United Methodist Church because they did not agree with the answer.

Second, in 1972, the General Conference made a statement re homosexuality that is absolutely accurate: it is incompatible with 2000+ years of Christian teaching and if you delve into our Jewish heritage, the trail is in even longer. Furthermore, it is an answer that is in line with The Wesleyan Church, a thriving American denomination that emerged from the same roots as The United Methodist Church. So how can you classify those that are willing to abide by/trust in/agree with that decision which is not without precedent—a decision that was confirmed by General Conferences in 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008 --and probably would have been reaffirmed in 2012 and 2016—as being as much of the problem as those who have ramped up their disobedience by once again stating that they are no longer bound by the decision making processes of The United Methodist Church? Forgive me, but I do agree with Donald Trump that prosperity comes with the correct and reasonable amount of law and order. The United Methodist Church is not prospering here in America. It was already in a 40 year numerical decline before this chaos descended on us. Why are the ones creating this chaos viewed as a credible voices that need to be kept within the fold at all costs? What is going to happen when they set their sights on a new cause?

Betsy more than 4 years ago

Christian Tradition exaggerates Scripture

I disagree with Betsy in that I think that the tradition of the Church actually exaggerates what is in Scripture about homosexuality. For instance, the tradition of the Church made homosexuality into the very worst sin. Ezekiel 16:49 states that Sodom's sin was pride and neglecting the poor and needy. Jude 7 means that Sodom went after angels, whereas the fallen angels sinned by heterosexually marrying earthly women. It really isn't about homosexuality, but that the barrier between humans and angels shouldn't be crossed. Scripture also certainly doesn't say that all sexual relations are wrong outside of marriage, even for women. It was for women, only if they were betrothed to another man. Men just couldn't have sexual relations with a woman who was betrothed or married to another man. Leviticus NEVER mentions Lesbianism and according to most Jewish Rabbis, the prohibition in Leviticus ONLY means ONE mode of sex between men, not any mode. It is NOT a moral law, but a ritual purity law, like not eating pork which was also called an "abomination" in Deuteronomy 14:3. So all in all, when Jews and Christians have been against homosexuality, it mainly was the result of adding laws and regulations as well as exaggerating what was in scripture. One thing that Scripture is clear throughout is the imperative of justice for the downtrodden and the oppressed. Gay people are oppressed and hated, that is one reason as Christians we are called to love Gay people.

Daniel Wagle more than 4 years ago

What is a "centrist"

This blog is an appeal to "centrists," without actually stating what a centrist is. Would the author be willing to define a centrist position, including differentiating between a centrist and a progressive on the one hand and a centrist and a traditionalist on the other.

In Christ,

The enemy hates clarity

the enemy hates clarity more than 4 years ago

One more thing

In their apathy the "centrists" empowered the right-wing. In this, another movie metaphor is apt: that of the townspeople who shuttered their windows in "High Noon" as Gary Cooper was left alone to fend off the bad guys. But I believe in redemption so another movie metaphor is also apt for our future - the hopeful ending of the satirical oughts' movie "Saved!" in which Fundamentalist "Christian" school student Jena Malone got her gay boyfriend to have sex with her to "save him from hell." In the end, she and her friends rejected Calvinistic legalism and decided they'd just go to hell and be done with it, the same epiphany Huckleberry Finn went through when he contemplated the immorality of stealing property in the act of helping the slave Jim escape.

George Nixon Shuler more than 4 years ago

The truth hurts

This is one of the most sobering and truthful assessments I have read regarding the current challenges facing our UMC. Thank you, Rev. Bucher.

Rev. Tom Poe more than 4 years ago

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