Will We Bear Witness to the Gospel or to Our Brokenness?



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How is there oneness in Jesus

When there is absolutely no agreement as to who Jesus was/is and how his life, death, resurrection and ascension impacts our lives? There are those that are not even sure Jesus physically rose from the dead and physically returned to God the Father and there are those that do. There are those that do not believe in the existence of God as the Holy Trinity and there are those that do. There are those that do not believe that one doctrine was handed to the church once and for all times and there are those that do.

John Wesley refused to live with the theological divisions present in the Fetter Lane Society and left to set up a separate society at the Foundry and that is when the Wesleyan Methodist movement was truly born. And just for the record the theological divisions Wesley refused to deal with were not near as deep as the ones currently dividing The American UMC. Wesley's understanding of the person of the truly catholic spirit does not require people to share a church with those they are not in agreement with. In fact Wesley's understanding of the person truly of the catholic spirit documents why some people have to agree to disagree at a distance. Unity in the absence of theological agreement is not unity.

betsy 117 days ago

Kicking the can

We disagree. Plain and simple, we disagree. We should be able to do that civilly without any fear. But over the past 47 years our ability to disagree amicably has been hijacked by persons and groups who have only one aim; the desire to redefine what is acceptable in the Church; specifically the UMC.

The one church plan seems to me that we are willing to go along and make virtually no definitive decision on the matter at hand. By kicking the proverbial can down the road we are inviting continuous contention and division. Let's decide the issue once and for all; one way or the other. Let's cap the drain of precious resources that are being wasted on the matter. Let's get off the fence; let's not be lukewarm. Yes or No. If we are afraid of how we are perceived by the world as we duke this out among ourselves then I believe we are misdirected in our thinking. We are just wrong in thinking that we will suffer a crippling blow that the world will shrink from our doors. The greater damage is being done as we constantly kick this can down the road for 4 more years. Jesus made decisions that were not popular so must we. Let's do it now, whatever it might be and let's stick to it. .

Rick 118 days ago


We've had say a 200 year process of liberalizing. Personally, I feel like that was the right decision. The world has changed. But the conservatives in our denomination disagreed. They resisted. And the ones that are here today stuck with us. Obedient. Loving the people that they disagreed with obediently. I watched them struggle as we were the most liberal family in a conservative church. The church moved to my family, but I watched them struggle. But that church is still there and they've moved along way.

What am I supposed to tell those conservatives? That progressives don't have to follow the rules? That if you're friends with the bishops, then you can do what you want?

Even the tax collectors love those that love them. But why should the conservatives feel that they are getting reciprocation. They aren't. Progressives aren't living up to the ideals of even tax collectors. The conservatives are being told that the rules don't apply to some. The rules only apply to them and they need to pay their apportionment.

If we can't keep our promises to each other, then it may be a better idea to withdraw to individual conferences and struggle to keep our covenants with those closest to us. Then those entities can vote and decide on a way forward. Over time, those with the right answer will grow and prosper. Those of us with the wrong answer will need to change our ways. This has to be a better outcome than our current path.

Anonymous 121 days ago

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– The Rt. Rev. David Wilbourne, Assistant Bishop of Llandaff in the Church of England, reviewing Strudwick's book: "The Naked God: Wrestling for a Grace-ful Humanity" in Church Times.


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